"Get rid of government and guess who ends up running the country?"
Exactly. I don't know what kind of world serious libertarians live on, but about length and breadth of human nature, it's as delusional as that of communists. I've tried to explain that without carefully enforced structure -- including that necessary to enforce the very free markets you salivate over -- you end up with warlords, whether it's the Mad Max kind always operating in several parts of the world, or simply that of banksters et al that ebbs and flows in the West.
Right? Who can't see that? Look, sure a corrupt government does no one any good, it does immeasurable harm to a country. But government itself, Representative government that moves a civilization forward is essential. You just can't get around it. Without some kind of laws and regulations - you might as well live like savages.
Well, please tell me how, after more than a century of dozens of attempts in its name, it is (a) to be properly implemented and (b) to work for all.
I believe only in perpetually-evolving hybrid systems, because only those take into account all known, and emerging known, aspects of human nature. IMO Marxism is a fatal perversion of the original Leftism, in which democracy was undermined in support of an (admittedly brilliant) insights of certain aspects of economic activity, but also along with a huge pile of totalitarian claims and demands, as if they were not only positive, but normative, economics as "settled science". It was a call to create intramural armies, not solve societal problems. In my experience, Marxist pretension on these things is just breathtaking.
China is communist only in name (they're completely two-faced about it, copying only the totalitarianism part), and Russia hasn't been communist since 1991.
I would say we are already at this stage as we no longer have an elected government. We have our enemy the Terrorist State of Israel in control of our government and they (especially Netanyahu!) have clearly stated their hatred for the American people and their intent to destroy this country. They are succeeding in spades at this endeavour!
"Get rid of government and guess who ends up running the country?"
Exactly. I don't know what kind of world serious libertarians live on, but about length and breadth of human nature, it's as delusional as that of communists. I've tried to explain that without carefully enforced structure -- including that necessary to enforce the very free markets you salivate over -- you end up with warlords, whether it's the Mad Max kind always operating in several parts of the world, or simply that of banksters et al that ebbs and flows in the West.
Right? Who can't see that? Look, sure a corrupt government does no one any good, it does immeasurable harm to a country. But government itself, Representative government that moves a civilization forward is essential. You just can't get around it. Without some kind of laws and regulations - you might as well live like savages.
Yes no laws. No rules. Let's all be drunk'n teenagers again! PARTY!!
Communism isn't delusional.
Well, please tell me how, after more than a century of dozens of attempts in its name, it is (a) to be properly implemented and (b) to work for all.
I believe only in perpetually-evolving hybrid systems, because only those take into account all known, and emerging known, aspects of human nature. IMO Marxism is a fatal perversion of the original Leftism, in which democracy was undermined in support of an (admittedly brilliant) insights of certain aspects of economic activity, but also along with a huge pile of totalitarian claims and demands, as if they were not only positive, but normative, economics as "settled science". It was a call to create intramural armies, not solve societal problems. In my experience, Marxist pretension on these things is just breathtaking.
Well there is China and Russia but they are a bit less communist than before.
Both seem to be doing ok!
China is communist only in name (they're completely two-faced about it, copying only the totalitarianism part), and Russia hasn't been communist since 1991.
Cuba + Vietnam.
Cuba: How is this a successful society?
Vietnam: As with China, is this really communist any more?
I would say we are already at this stage as we no longer have an elected government. We have our enemy the Terrorist State of Israel in control of our government and they (especially Netanyahu!) have clearly stated their hatred for the American people and their intent to destroy this country. They are succeeding in spades at this endeavour!
Sad, but probably very true