Come on, You know the score. Zionist billionaires are already calling the shots. As in any other group of bent humans (we're all bent). there are reasonable free-speech, anti-war Libs and unreasonable let-money-talk-louder idiots for whom I have only disdain. But I refuse to reject the first group because they think less [ultra-corrupt, fumbling, unconnected to voters] government might be a good thing.
It's comfortable believing Libertarians haven't played a key role in corrupting the US government isn't it? With the last four decades of anti-government talk by so-called Libertarians - supporting extreme right-wing anti-tax legislation, deregulation legislation, loosening all kinds of ethical rules meant to constrain governmental corruption. The libertarians were in lockstep with the Koch brothers and all the other billionaires wanting to corrupt the US government.
And guess what - the US government now is entirely corrupted, the US Constitution doesn't mean jack shit anymore. The country is run by a bunch of genocidal, lawless crooks who don't give a flying fuck about ordinary Americans or the state of the public good. Libertarians played a key role in this corruption.
One doesn't have to be Einstein to figure this shit out. I'm just some retired yokel living in Idaho - and I figured it out.
Every movement is susceptible to corruption. Even libertarians, who tend to believe in limited government or limiting the aggregation of power, can be full of bad actors using this mantra of ‘reducing government’ just to remove regulatory constraints so they can pursue their own version of aggregation of power (unrestrained capitalism). The key is to prevent aggregation of too much power in all forms, otherwise its ’meet the new boss…same as the old boss’
Completely agree. But the Libertarians have been especially egregious in corrupting the US government and are among the biggest hypocrites regarding what they pretend to stand for. The Koch Brothers were a scourge upon the American public - were the epitome of Elite one percenters waging war on workers and the economic freedoms of the majority of Americans. And they did it by funding many secret organizations.
Scott Walker was a corrupt goon - was in constant assault mode on working poor Americans, opposed any kind of mass transportation, was anti-abortion, was an opponent of same-sex marriage, gave huge tax breaks to corporations while eviscerating government programs, rejected even the bullshit Health Care Exchange program for Wisconsin. Walker was corrupt as the day was long when he was governor - and the LIBERTARIAN Koch brothers funded his ass every which way from SUNDAY.
Yeah Ron Paul has been great for the top 1%. Trillions of tax breaks for them - but don't worry, it's going to trickle down soon.
And yeah, let's eliminate FEMA as well. Great idea. You're on your own folks - if a tornado hits. Who needs civilization anyway? Let's all live like apes again - just keep the filthy rich happy.
okay now give me a listing of the who else -- other than Libertarians played such a role. A list that woud include some "liberal" NGOs with good reps. Let's not be naive. Corruption of this impoverished excuse for a government has been a collective affair with many players of all stripes, with the biggest player always big $$$.
Ah yes, Jamenta reaches her frustration point, tells other discussant to "take a hike. In the immortal words of Mussolini. Cazzo a te.Va fa in culo. OK? Discussion ended. It's almost always time wasted where you're concerned.
You epitomize the reason speech is free -- even for those who must resort to ad hominem slurs when their brain goes into farting mode because someone won't agreee with them. Boo hoo, mama, they won't tell me I'm right. GROW UP
Y'know, I'd be lying if I were to say that there haven't been times when the extent of corruption in western governments have so disheartened me that I thought anarchy might be preferable to endless lying for the benefit of big donors. I don't want anarchy, but I hate what we've got. Mea culpa!
Actually, Anarchism isn't "anarchy", bizarrely. It's simply a synonym for Democracy. It means "No inherited power or privileges", which is obviously incredibly radical. For those currently with inherited power and privileges, lol. For everyone else, its common-sense.
Granted, you're correct. But starting with the "you don't know" is not exactly a good foundation for exchange of ideas, and I'm frankly fucking tired of it. Why would you think -- from any of my other remarks -- that I have any attachment to rich entitled Libertarians, or rich entitled Republicans, or rich Zionist Democrats posing as social warriors. All equivalent fecal matter to me. I'm a biologist with 45 yrs of immunology expertise. So ---if I tell you that in my informed opinion based on fundamental cellular biology that RFK Jr. was largely correct about mRNA COVID vaccines, does that mean I support his Zionist horseshit? Of course not. Likewise, if my close Libertarian friend back east and I agree that the Bill of Rights is sacrosanct, I also disagree strongly with her opinion on the US military and several other issues; and I tell her so. I see far too much desire in this forum and elsewhere to put people into singular labeled categories from which they're not allowed to cross-opine with other philosophical/political thought streams. Sorry, just not where I am. And in the face of a declining empire that's pressuring all of us bigtime, I think finding avenues of commonality of resistance is probably necessary. Because resistance to any standard pabulum emerging from a lying corrupt moribund institution is, at this juncture, a critical necessity. Again, if that makes me seem inconsistent, I apologize. But that really is a value judgment on the part of an observer if one really thinks about it.
I never really did, but perhaps you're prescient because I do sometimes think of myself as a "left libertarian." Meaning roughly, I'm, a free-speech and bodily autonomy absolutist --sacrosanct Bill of Rights; and an anti-war anti-imperialism absolutist, but an anti-Capitalist on domestic issues, favoring Richard Wolff's model of employee ownership of businesses. And because of big money corruption and this illusory label "public-private partnership" (Mussolini's Fascism re-labeled for palatability), I'm unsure how much "nanny government is really desirable (in the classic democratic socialist sense). But since I also agree with Yanis Varoufakis that Capitalism is giving way to what he's labeled TechnoFeudalism (worthwhile book), my views in that arena are evolving (never too old to modify our synapses). Sorry for the long answer.
I have considered myself an anarchist for about 40 years. As far as I am concerned, anarchy involves tight organization from the bottom up. It is a dream right now. I don't think there is a strict template for anarchy. The main ideas are justice and freedom for all. There are various ideas about how it could work. It is not that people who consider themselves anarchists don't want anyone telling them how to live, it is that people need to be included in making decisions and not in the way that we do now with voting that gives us no say at all. One idea I have heard is that there should be limits on how long any one group can be in a primary decision making position. If you are interested in anarchy, you would do better to read about it rather than just accepting heresay.
Here is the real heart of the problem! This is how fucked up the people really are! Instead of oh look we all have the same ENEMY! They are busy fighting for the enemy of us all!
No, it is not "really angry people" etc. It is about people looking for a better way to live. There is a lot written about anarchy. If you are interested, you could read about it. Peter Kropotkin. Enrico Maletesta, George Woodcock, Emma Goldman
Come on, You know the score. Zionist billionaires are already calling the shots. As in any other group of bent humans (we're all bent). there are reasonable free-speech, anti-war Libs and unreasonable let-money-talk-louder idiots for whom I have only disdain. But I refuse to reject the first group because they think less [ultra-corrupt, fumbling, unconnected to voters] government might be a good thing.
It's comfortable believing Libertarians haven't played a key role in corrupting the US government isn't it? With the last four decades of anti-government talk by so-called Libertarians - supporting extreme right-wing anti-tax legislation, deregulation legislation, loosening all kinds of ethical rules meant to constrain governmental corruption. The libertarians were in lockstep with the Koch brothers and all the other billionaires wanting to corrupt the US government.
And guess what - the US government now is entirely corrupted, the US Constitution doesn't mean jack shit anymore. The country is run by a bunch of genocidal, lawless crooks who don't give a flying fuck about ordinary Americans or the state of the public good. Libertarians played a key role in this corruption.
One doesn't have to be Einstein to figure this shit out. I'm just some retired yokel living in Idaho - and I figured it out.
Every movement is susceptible to corruption. Even libertarians, who tend to believe in limited government or limiting the aggregation of power, can be full of bad actors using this mantra of ‘reducing government’ just to remove regulatory constraints so they can pursue their own version of aggregation of power (unrestrained capitalism). The key is to prevent aggregation of too much power in all forms, otherwise its ’meet the new boss…same as the old boss’
Completely agree. But the Libertarians have been especially egregious in corrupting the US government and are among the biggest hypocrites regarding what they pretend to stand for. The Koch Brothers were a scourge upon the American public - were the epitome of Elite one percenters waging war on workers and the economic freedoms of the majority of Americans. And they did it by funding many secret organizations.
Scott Walker was a corrupt goon - was in constant assault mode on working poor Americans, opposed any kind of mass transportation, was anti-abortion, was an opponent of same-sex marriage, gave huge tax breaks to corporations while eviscerating government programs, rejected even the bullshit Health Care Exchange program for Wisconsin. Walker was corrupt as the day was long when he was governor - and the LIBERTARIAN Koch brothers funded his ass every which way from SUNDAY.
I would define the Koch’s as garden variety crony capitalists. I might suggest that Ron Paul is your more traditional libertarian
Yeah Ron Paul has been great for the top 1%. Trillions of tax breaks for them - but don't worry, it's going to trickle down soon.
And yeah, let's eliminate FEMA as well. Great idea. You're on your own folks - if a tornado hits. Who needs civilization anyway? Let's all live like apes again - just keep the filthy rich happy.
Ha! Not saying I agree with libertarians. Everything in moderation. Sheesh
okay now give me a listing of the who else -- other than Libertarians played such a role. A list that woud include some "liberal" NGOs with good reps. Let's not be naive. Corruption of this impoverished excuse for a government has been a collective affair with many players of all stripes, with the biggest player always big $$$.
Yes, and libertarians are big $$$
Yes, one of many sources thereof.
One of the many things about Libertarianism is they do not give a shit about the people ONLY themselves.
That's pretty much what it boils down to Jenny.
Apparently you've never heard of the Koch brothers. Take a hike.
Ah yes, Jamenta reaches her frustration point, tells other discussant to "take a hike. In the immortal words of Mussolini. Cazzo a te.Va fa in culo. OK? Discussion ended. It's almost always time wasted where you're concerned.
I thought Dementa was a boy!
Search me. I just always regret wasting my time.
Anyone who blows right past the Koch brothers is not worth my time.
You epitomize the reason speech is free -- even for those who must resort to ad hominem slurs when their brain goes into farting mode because someone won't agreee with them. Boo hoo, mama, they won't tell me I'm right. GROW UP
Koch are Libertarians? Biden is Catholic? Rainbow is homosexuals?
Have you heard of the term "appropriation"?
I am not 'bent' nor is my mouth 'stitched up' from speaking the truth. How can you have a good Govt. when your 'olde worlde constitution is ....dead.
Then what you actually want is Anarchists.
Y'know, I'd be lying if I were to say that there haven't been times when the extent of corruption in western governments have so disheartened me that I thought anarchy might be preferable to endless lying for the benefit of big donors. I don't want anarchy, but I hate what we've got. Mea culpa!
Actually, Anarchism isn't "anarchy", bizarrely. It's simply a synonym for Democracy. It means "No inherited power or privileges", which is obviously incredibly radical. For those currently with inherited power and privileges, lol. For everyone else, its common-sense.
you don't know what anarchy is. Anarchy actually means government but from the bottom up. The rich, entitled libertarians would have to go.
Granted, you're correct. But starting with the "you don't know" is not exactly a good foundation for exchange of ideas, and I'm frankly fucking tired of it. Why would you think -- from any of my other remarks -- that I have any attachment to rich entitled Libertarians, or rich entitled Republicans, or rich Zionist Democrats posing as social warriors. All equivalent fecal matter to me. I'm a biologist with 45 yrs of immunology expertise. So ---if I tell you that in my informed opinion based on fundamental cellular biology that RFK Jr. was largely correct about mRNA COVID vaccines, does that mean I support his Zionist horseshit? Of course not. Likewise, if my close Libertarian friend back east and I agree that the Bill of Rights is sacrosanct, I also disagree strongly with her opinion on the US military and several other issues; and I tell her so. I see far too much desire in this forum and elsewhere to put people into singular labeled categories from which they're not allowed to cross-opine with other philosophical/political thought streams. Sorry, just not where I am. And in the face of a declining empire that's pressuring all of us bigtime, I think finding avenues of commonality of resistance is probably necessary. Because resistance to any standard pabulum emerging from a lying corrupt moribund institution is, at this juncture, a critical necessity. Again, if that makes me seem inconsistent, I apologize. But that really is a value judgment on the part of an observer if one really thinks about it.
what is it that inspired you to call yourself a libertarian?
I never really did, but perhaps you're prescient because I do sometimes think of myself as a "left libertarian." Meaning roughly, I'm, a free-speech and bodily autonomy absolutist --sacrosanct Bill of Rights; and an anti-war anti-imperialism absolutist, but an anti-Capitalist on domestic issues, favoring Richard Wolff's model of employee ownership of businesses. And because of big money corruption and this illusory label "public-private partnership" (Mussolini's Fascism re-labeled for palatability), I'm unsure how much "nanny government is really desirable (in the classic democratic socialist sense). But since I also agree with Yanis Varoufakis that Capitalism is giving way to what he's labeled TechnoFeudalism (worthwhile book), my views in that arena are evolving (never too old to modify our synapses). Sorry for the long answer.
I have considered myself an anarchist for about 40 years. As far as I am concerned, anarchy involves tight organization from the bottom up. It is a dream right now. I don't think there is a strict template for anarchy. The main ideas are justice and freedom for all. There are various ideas about how it could work. It is not that people who consider themselves anarchists don't want anyone telling them how to live, it is that people need to be included in making decisions and not in the way that we do now with voting that gives us no say at all. One idea I have heard is that there should be limits on how long any one group can be in a primary decision making position. If you are interested in anarchy, you would do better to read about it rather than just accepting heresay.
Gnuneo. Anarchist are happening and there is NOTHING you can do to stop them.
USA decided 'guns' were OK for most people who have them in their homes.
I have been in a Civil War and I can tell you: Neighbours will turn against neighbours (probably from some old dispute).
Family members will be separated and abused or shot.
It really does not take long for a society (with guns) to start killing.
Unfortunately the mindless killing will be amongst citizens and NOT the people who need killing.
USA is a naive society/ill-educated and incapable of making moral decisions.
Here is the real heart of the problem! This is how fucked up the people really are! Instead of oh look we all have the same ENEMY! They are busy fighting for the enemy of us all!
No, it is not "really angry people" etc. It is about people looking for a better way to live. There is a lot written about anarchy. If you are interested, you could read about it. Peter Kropotkin. Enrico Maletesta, George Woodcock, Emma Goldman