Out of all of your sanctions examples, only one case has actually changed a major matter of sovereignty: south africa. I'm sure you think that sanctions were the "silver bullet" there, but this was a major point of discussion I had in college history. What are the historical precedents for sovereign collapse. Economics, internal or external are actually minor factors, because sovereign nations have significant elasticity in tolerating changing economic conditions.
There were two factors that South Africa had to deal with that had nothing to do with sanctions that pushed them over the edge: reliance on the people they were fighting and a sovereign shock with the loss of south west africa. The ending of the cold war was resolved without their major input and they lost a large piece of territory that was structurally part of their sovereignty and the loss of this had very large ripple effects.
Gaza is actually facing collapse over these conditions rather than Israel: reliance upon Israel for biological survival when that support has now been withdrawn and the shock of losing ~50% of the territory held before the war.
It won't be any surprise when the remaining governing structures in Gaza unravel. There are many parallels of this in history.
As far as Israel goes and sanctions... they were sanctioned (actually embargoed) by a major trade partner (Turkey) and it had minor if any impact. Even if Europe did sanction, then globalization means outputs and inputs can be switched in a matter of days rather than months as it was during the fall of the NNP.
sanctions evasion is not trivial in all circumstances. gazan governing structures can easily be rebuild (unlike israeli). the reliance upon israel was not a matter of choice and losing 50% of the territory of an open air prison might not be as big as a shock as was namibia for the south africans. gazans kinda live on the old adage 'freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose'. israel and the west have no freedom. globalization and sanctions still can work both ways.
>sanctions evasion is not trivial in all circumstances.
Unsubstantiated statement which is contradicted by numerous countries getting on with things regardless of sanctions.
>gazan governing structures can easily be rebuild (unlike israeli).
LOL. You think that Israel is just going to give the border back and allow aid in unfettered.
NO border access.
NO reconstruction.
NO hope for Gazans.
Just drone strike the construction vehicles, and make them live on a sandy swamp so tunneling is problematic.
This is literally as good as things are ever going to get for Gazans right now.
It's only getting worse from here. They will be fighting with each other like rats soon enough. They are headed for holodomor if they think they have nothing left to lose. LOL.
i'm sorry to hear that. normally i'd wish you luck with your pursuit of what you think is useful and worthwhile, but since this turns out to be genocide and the deliberate slaughter of people who are no threat to your well being, i can't do that. i was fed other ideas of what's useful and worthwhile.
i did not benefit from this particular conversation. in my limited experience it's not domination that bares real fruit.
Out of all of your sanctions examples, only one case has actually changed a major matter of sovereignty: south africa. I'm sure you think that sanctions were the "silver bullet" there, but this was a major point of discussion I had in college history. What are the historical precedents for sovereign collapse. Economics, internal or external are actually minor factors, because sovereign nations have significant elasticity in tolerating changing economic conditions.
There were two factors that South Africa had to deal with that had nothing to do with sanctions that pushed them over the edge: reliance on the people they were fighting and a sovereign shock with the loss of south west africa. The ending of the cold war was resolved without their major input and they lost a large piece of territory that was structurally part of their sovereignty and the loss of this had very large ripple effects.
Gaza is actually facing collapse over these conditions rather than Israel: reliance upon Israel for biological survival when that support has now been withdrawn and the shock of losing ~50% of the territory held before the war.
It won't be any surprise when the remaining governing structures in Gaza unravel. There are many parallels of this in history.
As far as Israel goes and sanctions... they were sanctioned (actually embargoed) by a major trade partner (Turkey) and it had minor if any impact. Even if Europe did sanction, then globalization means outputs and inputs can be switched in a matter of days rather than months as it was during the fall of the NNP.
sanctions evasion is not trivial in all circumstances. gazan governing structures can easily be rebuild (unlike israeli). the reliance upon israel was not a matter of choice and losing 50% of the territory of an open air prison might not be as big as a shock as was namibia for the south africans. gazans kinda live on the old adage 'freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose'. israel and the west have no freedom. globalization and sanctions still can work both ways.
>sanctions evasion is not trivial in all circumstances.
Unsubstantiated statement which is contradicted by numerous countries getting on with things regardless of sanctions.
>gazan governing structures can easily be rebuild (unlike israeli).
LOL. You think that Israel is just going to give the border back and allow aid in unfettered.
NO border access.
NO reconstruction.
NO hope for Gazans.
Just drone strike the construction vehicles, and make them live on a sandy swamp so tunneling is problematic.
This is literally as good as things are ever going to get for Gazans right now.
It's only getting worse from here. They will be fighting with each other like rats soon enough. They are headed for holodomor if they think they have nothing left to lose. LOL.
so, why do you chose to side with the bad guys?
I side with allies of Western hegemony because I benefit from Western hegemony and they provide tangible, objective value.
Israel's enemies are not tangibly valuable to me or anyone I know.
It's good when Israel eliminates their enemies because that means more space and resources to do something useful and worthwhile.
This very conversation is enabled by fruits of Israel's domination of their enemies. You benefit just as I do.
i'm sorry to hear that. normally i'd wish you luck with your pursuit of what you think is useful and worthwhile, but since this turns out to be genocide and the deliberate slaughter of people who are no threat to your well being, i can't do that. i was fed other ideas of what's useful and worthwhile.
i did not benefit from this particular conversation. in my limited experience it's not domination that bares real fruit.