The only karma occurring now is to the Gazans whose society f*cked around 10.7.23 and are now in the find out phase, being on the losing side of a siege. They decided to start a hot war against an opponent that could literally withhold their biological necessities, and so, Gazan's level of stupidity is unmatched. Israel is doing everyone a favor by their karmic reaction.
You, sir, are a troll and a garbage human being. Delete your throwaway account. Touch grass. Consider that what happens to Gazans today, can happen to your and your family tomorrow if a powerful group decides to get uppity. And I won't be entertaining any responses to this, since that's all you want.
It's correct to erase an enemy population that refuses surrender, as an example of why surrender is important. Normalizing resistance was the dumbest thing internationalist ever did.
Palestinians were living in an open air concentration camp. And please explain why Israel is destroying the West Bank and killing civilians even though there is no Hamas there. Kinda exposes your lies.
Israel's issue is with those who are enemies to the Zionist state and Israeli sovereignty. So the whole of the popular resistance, not just the militants (the entire "Palestinian" population of Egyptian/Jordanian squatters)
If I provided economic, logistic and familial aid to my next door neighbor in their war, then yes I would, as are the Gazan people correctly being targeted.
What a lack of hummanity on your part with no regard to the many who have absolutely no control over hamas. So you include the children in the blame. So kind of you to not leave them out! I can see you might blame all adults as having the power to stop hamas but do you include American children for not stopping crime in America that exists? Expand that concept also to adults that are powerless due to corrupt government in Isreal or the USA. It apoears to be happening in both.
I didn't say control. I said support. This is a multigenerational popular resistance that both funds and provides all of the structural services and recruitment for Hamas, PIJ, PFLP etc. Yesterday's children that you're using an appeal to emotion with? They are todays militants or the economic, logistical and familial supporters of the militants today.
This is how total war works. This is why Germany and Japan were bombed (and Japan being a similar honor-based surrender-averse society needed stronger measures to force capitulation with.
Basically you want a loophole where a society can have a militant core resistance which cannot be effectively countered. Immunity for Palestine but not for Israel, and I reject the premise, as would any sovereign state fighting an existential war of sovereignty against a society practicing irregular warfare. This is why the US, Russian China etc etc dropped out of the ICC.
You blew your argument in your third sentence. It is indeed, a Resistance. Zionists stole the land from the original residents and they have been LEGALLY resisting ever since. Would you call the anti-Nazi resistance movements during WW2, terrorists?
I call the allied resistance in WW2 allies and the Nazi partisans (like say Ukrainian Insurgent Army or UPA) the enemy.
As for the legality of their resistance, it's not legal in Eretz Yisrael and that's why they are subject to arrest or death. The basic law of the sovereign state of Israel is that ONLY Jews have the right to self determination, and there is no (and never has been a) "Palestinian" state.
How are people that currently depending on blocked foreign aid and now have no place to lie their heads sleeping in tents if they even have them or bombed out buildings abe to fund anything? They are begging on social media for funds for the most meager of supplies (food. clothing, etc to just exist) but per you they are funding an assault on a whole militerized army of Zionist who our Senate is insistant on supporting. Supporting Zionists isn't a crime when they are commiting mass Genocide? Its litterly figuratively like David and Goliath with Palestineans being David. The roles are completly reversed because all Palestineans have been painted as the aggressors when this is a power grab assisted by corrupted governments to help the powerful in Isntreal who want to control any assets like minerals, shipping ports, oil, and rebuild the Gaza coast with luxury homes and resorts for the weatlhy. Almost would make a reader think you would be one of the ultra wealthy or have some kind of financial interest since you seem to have such commitment to BiBi the Zionist succeeding in his evil plan. To some persons evil seem to be o.k. as long as there is monetary profit enough to slake their thirst. Is money everything? It would seem so.
There is still an economy, logistics and familial support in Gaza even if it's poor and minimal. Israeli's job isn't finished yet.
The best thing Israel ever did was take back the border and Philadelphi corridor because they now control the existence of all of the resistance including the militants.
Iran and Egyptian MB can't smuggle in resources any more.
As for Gaza being a valuable and economically productive place I'd welcome a Western-aligned population taking it over. I'm unambiguously for Western hegemony, yep!
If your saying yesterdays children have become the militants of today then you must be certain who some of that group is to a certain degree. Please give us names so we can call them out and have them prosecuted instead of damning a whole group. You must be able to help with that since your convictions seem to imply greater knowledge. We have criminals within the the U.S. also like the individuals who have committed actions against Congress on Jan 6th that have been in court and were named and charged with specific crimes.
Not only the militants are to blame. The popular resistance is also to blame. ALL of Gaza, not some select portions currently hiding in holes in the ground taking potshots at Jews and stealing UN aid.
What a lack of hummanity on your part with no regard to the many who have absolutely no control over hamas. So you include the children in the blame. So kind of you to not leave them out! I can see you might blame all adults as having the power to stop hamas but do you include American children for not stopping crime in America that exists? Expand that concept also to adults that are powerless due to corrupt government in Isreal or the USA. It apoears to be happening in both.
Palestineans are trapped between Hamas and Zionism. Either way they will suffer tremenously and also watch their children suffer. Its a no win situation. Only Zionists could fix this and they're too hate filled to even try.
gazans (nor hamas) were stupid. they expected that israel would negotiate. they expected that the western world, espousing high moral values, would intervene. the belligerent 'i'm a 1000 pound grizzly or a live electric socket' argument is a dead end, lest one wants to be banned from the simian flock.
Arguments are a dead end, yes. Anti-Zionists have a phrase for when they can't maintain the illusion that an argument or "international law" or a moral opinion has anything to do with real consequences: facts on the ground.
Facts on the ground that Israel CAN unilaterally impose, like mass starvation or zero reconstruction are the cost of the lies of the anti-Zionists.
Basically the West can impose some pain on Israel (because sanctions evasions is trivial post-globalization and sanctions don't apply to intellectual property) but Israel can impose biologically incompatible conditions on their enemy.
When the world gets around to realizing that one side has won and negotiates things on Israel's terms, then we will be able to move forwards. Until then there will just be more crying about the facts on the ground.
i'm a bit confused by the use of 'anti-zionists' in the first two sentences. israel can indeed impose mass starvation (it does) or zero reconstruction (like russia could have nuked ukraine).
i somewhat disagree with sanction evasion being trivial in all circumstances (russia vs north korea, cuba, venezuela, apartheid south africa, ...).
despite the general narrative control, i estimate that people still can understand the difference between one set of 'facts on the ground' and another. i don't think the world 'realizes' who has 'won', but kinda decides.
Out of all of your sanctions examples, only one case has actually changed a major matter of sovereignty: south africa. I'm sure you think that sanctions were the "silver bullet" there, but this was a major point of discussion I had in college history. What are the historical precedents for sovereign collapse. Economics, internal or external are actually minor factors, because sovereign nations have significant elasticity in tolerating changing economic conditions.
There were two factors that South Africa had to deal with that had nothing to do with sanctions that pushed them over the edge: reliance on the people they were fighting and a sovereign shock with the loss of south west africa. The ending of the cold war was resolved without their major input and they lost a large piece of territory that was structurally part of their sovereignty and the loss of this had very large ripple effects.
Gaza is actually facing collapse over these conditions rather than Israel: reliance upon Israel for biological survival when that support has now been withdrawn and the shock of losing ~50% of the territory held before the war.
It won't be any surprise when the remaining governing structures in Gaza unravel. There are many parallels of this in history.
As far as Israel goes and sanctions... they were sanctioned (actually embargoed) by a major trade partner (Turkey) and it had minor if any impact. Even if Europe did sanction, then globalization means outputs and inputs can be switched in a matter of days rather than months as it was during the fall of the NNP.
sanctions evasion is not trivial in all circumstances. gazan governing structures can easily be rebuild (unlike israeli). the reliance upon israel was not a matter of choice and losing 50% of the territory of an open air prison might not be as big as a shock as was namibia for the south africans. gazans kinda live on the old adage 'freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose'. israel and the west have no freedom. globalization and sanctions still can work both ways.
>sanctions evasion is not trivial in all circumstances.
Unsubstantiated statement which is contradicted by numerous countries getting on with things regardless of sanctions.
>gazan governing structures can easily be rebuild (unlike israeli).
LOL. You think that Israel is just going to give the border back and allow aid in unfettered.
NO border access.
NO reconstruction.
NO hope for Gazans.
Just drone strike the construction vehicles, and make them live on a sandy swamp so tunneling is problematic.
This is literally as good as things are ever going to get for Gazans right now.
It's only getting worse from here. They will be fighting with each other like rats soon enough. They are headed for holodomor if they think they have nothing left to lose. LOL.
The only karma occurring now is to the Gazans whose society f*cked around 10.7.23 and are now in the find out phase, being on the losing side of a siege. They decided to start a hot war against an opponent that could literally withhold their biological necessities, and so, Gazan's level of stupidity is unmatched. Israel is doing everyone a favor by their karmic reaction.
You, sir, are a troll and a garbage human being. Delete your throwaway account. Touch grass. Consider that what happens to Gazans today, can happen to your and your family tomorrow if a powerful group decides to get uppity. And I won't be entertaining any responses to this, since that's all you want.
How easily your conscience is soothed. An entire population is being erased.
It's correct to erase an enemy population that refuses surrender, as an example of why surrender is important. Normalizing resistance was the dumbest thing internationalist ever did.
Palestinians were living in an open air concentration camp. And please explain why Israel is destroying the West Bank and killing civilians even though there is no Hamas there. Kinda exposes your lies.
Israel's issue is with those who are enemies to the Zionist state and Israeli sovereignty. So the whole of the popular resistance, not just the militants (the entire "Palestinian" population of Egyptian/Jordanian squatters)
israel's issue is with the world, the entire human race.
You're speaking for others who simply don't care.
There is a reason why Israel gets oil from Turkey despite there being a total embargo. You don't have all the support that you think you do.
Yes, The Balfour doc. was the dumbest thing ever an internationalist ever did. I agree with you.
So is Israel. They will rape and sodemise themselves to death if the resistance don’t put the scum out of their misery first.
Geez. Throwaway, you are one sick person. I hope you can find some treatment.
Go suck Satanyahoo’s shriveled old cock, motherfucker, right after he’s fucked you in the ass. Mmm, tasty.
Ah, wow and I agree : )
If your nextdoor neighbor started a war with a group of people on the next block would you get blaned for that also? Think about it for a hot minute.
If I provided economic, logistic and familial aid to my next door neighbor in their war, then yes I would, as are the Gazan people correctly being targeted.
What a weak basis of argument you make,.
What a lack of hummanity on your part with no regard to the many who have absolutely no control over hamas. So you include the children in the blame. So kind of you to not leave them out! I can see you might blame all adults as having the power to stop hamas but do you include American children for not stopping crime in America that exists? Expand that concept also to adults that are powerless due to corrupt government in Isreal or the USA. It apoears to be happening in both.
I didn't say control. I said support. This is a multigenerational popular resistance that both funds and provides all of the structural services and recruitment for Hamas, PIJ, PFLP etc. Yesterday's children that you're using an appeal to emotion with? They are todays militants or the economic, logistical and familial supporters of the militants today.
This is how total war works. This is why Germany and Japan were bombed (and Japan being a similar honor-based surrender-averse society needed stronger measures to force capitulation with.
Basically you want a loophole where a society can have a militant core resistance which cannot be effectively countered. Immunity for Palestine but not for Israel, and I reject the premise, as would any sovereign state fighting an existential war of sovereignty against a society practicing irregular warfare. This is why the US, Russian China etc etc dropped out of the ICC.
You blew your argument in your third sentence. It is indeed, a Resistance. Zionists stole the land from the original residents and they have been LEGALLY resisting ever since. Would you call the anti-Nazi resistance movements during WW2, terrorists?
Perfectly stated. Thank you!
I call the allied resistance in WW2 allies and the Nazi partisans (like say Ukrainian Insurgent Army or UPA) the enemy.
As for the legality of their resistance, it's not legal in Eretz Yisrael and that's why they are subject to arrest or death. The basic law of the sovereign state of Israel is that ONLY Jews have the right to self determination, and there is no (and never has been a) "Palestinian" state.
"It's Not a War When Only One Side Has an Army" said the protest sign.
Irregular warfare and irregular forces are a thing. It's just a dumb and demonstrably incorrect slogan.
How are people that currently depending on blocked foreign aid and now have no place to lie their heads sleeping in tents if they even have them or bombed out buildings abe to fund anything? They are begging on social media for funds for the most meager of supplies (food. clothing, etc to just exist) but per you they are funding an assault on a whole militerized army of Zionist who our Senate is insistant on supporting. Supporting Zionists isn't a crime when they are commiting mass Genocide? Its litterly figuratively like David and Goliath with Palestineans being David. The roles are completly reversed because all Palestineans have been painted as the aggressors when this is a power grab assisted by corrupted governments to help the powerful in Isntreal who want to control any assets like minerals, shipping ports, oil, and rebuild the Gaza coast with luxury homes and resorts for the weatlhy. Almost would make a reader think you would be one of the ultra wealthy or have some kind of financial interest since you seem to have such commitment to BiBi the Zionist succeeding in his evil plan. To some persons evil seem to be o.k. as long as there is monetary profit enough to slake their thirst. Is money everything? It would seem so.
There is still an economy, logistics and familial support in Gaza even if it's poor and minimal. Israeli's job isn't finished yet.
The best thing Israel ever did was take back the border and Philadelphi corridor because they now control the existence of all of the resistance including the militants.
Iran and Egyptian MB can't smuggle in resources any more.
As for Gaza being a valuable and economically productive place I'd welcome a Western-aligned population taking it over. I'm unambiguously for Western hegemony, yep!
If your saying yesterdays children have become the militants of today then you must be certain who some of that group is to a certain degree. Please give us names so we can call them out and have them prosecuted instead of damning a whole group. You must be able to help with that since your convictions seem to imply greater knowledge. We have criminals within the the U.S. also like the individuals who have committed actions against Congress on Jan 6th that have been in court and were named and charged with specific crimes.
Not only the militants are to blame. The popular resistance is also to blame. ALL of Gaza, not some select portions currently hiding in holes in the ground taking potshots at Jews and stealing UN aid.
Nethu himself provided funding to Hamas.
Sure, he giveth and he taketh away (all the food.)
What a lack of hummanity on your part with no regard to the many who have absolutely no control over hamas. So you include the children in the blame. So kind of you to not leave them out! I can see you might blame all adults as having the power to stop hamas but do you include American children for not stopping crime in America that exists? Expand that concept also to adults that are powerless due to corrupt government in Isreal or the USA. It apoears to be happening in both.
Yeah nothing was happening to Gazans on 10/6. They were living life to the fullest….oh wait they weren’t.
That society should have left or been ejected in 1967. The best time was then but the second best time is now.
Palestineans are trapped between Hamas and Zionism. Either way they will suffer tremenously and also watch their children suffer. Its a no win situation. Only Zionists could fix this and they're too hate filled to even try.
Hey just keep liking those faschist boots! Nothing like the taste of second hand dog feces.
gazans (nor hamas) were stupid. they expected that israel would negotiate. they expected that the western world, espousing high moral values, would intervene. the belligerent 'i'm a 1000 pound grizzly or a live electric socket' argument is a dead end, lest one wants to be banned from the simian flock.
Arguments are a dead end, yes. Anti-Zionists have a phrase for when they can't maintain the illusion that an argument or "international law" or a moral opinion has anything to do with real consequences: facts on the ground.
Facts on the ground that Israel CAN unilaterally impose, like mass starvation or zero reconstruction are the cost of the lies of the anti-Zionists.
Basically the West can impose some pain on Israel (because sanctions evasions is trivial post-globalization and sanctions don't apply to intellectual property) but Israel can impose biologically incompatible conditions on their enemy.
When the world gets around to realizing that one side has won and negotiates things on Israel's terms, then we will be able to move forwards. Until then there will just be more crying about the facts on the ground.
i'm a bit confused by the use of 'anti-zionists' in the first two sentences. israel can indeed impose mass starvation (it does) or zero reconstruction (like russia could have nuked ukraine).
i somewhat disagree with sanction evasion being trivial in all circumstances (russia vs north korea, cuba, venezuela, apartheid south africa, ...).
despite the general narrative control, i estimate that people still can understand the difference between one set of 'facts on the ground' and another. i don't think the world 'realizes' who has 'won', but kinda decides.
Out of all of your sanctions examples, only one case has actually changed a major matter of sovereignty: south africa. I'm sure you think that sanctions were the "silver bullet" there, but this was a major point of discussion I had in college history. What are the historical precedents for sovereign collapse. Economics, internal or external are actually minor factors, because sovereign nations have significant elasticity in tolerating changing economic conditions.
There were two factors that South Africa had to deal with that had nothing to do with sanctions that pushed them over the edge: reliance on the people they were fighting and a sovereign shock with the loss of south west africa. The ending of the cold war was resolved without their major input and they lost a large piece of territory that was structurally part of their sovereignty and the loss of this had very large ripple effects.
Gaza is actually facing collapse over these conditions rather than Israel: reliance upon Israel for biological survival when that support has now been withdrawn and the shock of losing ~50% of the territory held before the war.
It won't be any surprise when the remaining governing structures in Gaza unravel. There are many parallels of this in history.
As far as Israel goes and sanctions... they were sanctioned (actually embargoed) by a major trade partner (Turkey) and it had minor if any impact. Even if Europe did sanction, then globalization means outputs and inputs can be switched in a matter of days rather than months as it was during the fall of the NNP.
sanctions evasion is not trivial in all circumstances. gazan governing structures can easily be rebuild (unlike israeli). the reliance upon israel was not a matter of choice and losing 50% of the territory of an open air prison might not be as big as a shock as was namibia for the south africans. gazans kinda live on the old adage 'freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose'. israel and the west have no freedom. globalization and sanctions still can work both ways.
>sanctions evasion is not trivial in all circumstances.
Unsubstantiated statement which is contradicted by numerous countries getting on with things regardless of sanctions.
>gazan governing structures can easily be rebuild (unlike israeli).
LOL. You think that Israel is just going to give the border back and allow aid in unfettered.
NO border access.
NO reconstruction.
NO hope for Gazans.
Just drone strike the construction vehicles, and make them live on a sandy swamp so tunneling is problematic.
This is literally as good as things are ever going to get for Gazans right now.
It's only getting worse from here. They will be fighting with each other like rats soon enough. They are headed for holodomor if they think they have nothing left to lose. LOL.
Aren't you the voice of sunshine?