The U.S. behavior (i.e. 100% full-throated support of Israel) is not really complex to understand (though it was for me when my awareness of history, geopolitics and capitalism was less). And Jews or Judaism are not the motivation/affinity behind the U.S. Empire's actions. At the end of the day, I would attribute the support for Israel/Zionism to 2 different groups ->
[A] Christian Zionists and other Zionists that actually believe in the bullshit 'second coming of God' narratives about Israel.
[B] TPTB (The Powers That Be) -> This group is not really concerned about religions or Jews. For them, it is more about global hegemony, profits, control over resources, keeping others exploitated so as to stay on top of the 'class hierarchy', etc. - basically what a (normal) ruthless Capitalist would do.
Hence, I'm not convinced by ANY of these 'Zionists/Jews in positions of power' narratives as being behind everything. One simple way to understand this is to look at ALL the billionaires, oligarchs, corporations, etc. that are NOT Jews or Zionists - they support Israel (and Zionists) as much as Israelis and Zionists. The reality is that THEIR (TPTB) INTERESTS ALIGN well with those of the Israelis/Zionists, hence they have the same goals. I am not a believer of 'Zionists/Jews control the world' narratives - such narratives are too simplistic for our complex world - and upon deeper examination (which few bother to do), the logic of such narratives falls apart.
I may not have made myself clear. I do not believe Zionists control the world or do I have the least bit antisemitic bias. However their control in the US is not a question.
Let me ask you a couple questions: Do you believe there is a group that is manipulating world events? A powerful entity and the Zionists are merely tools like all other actors. Or is it an evil free for all? Kind of like the question about intelligent design of the cosmos.
>>Q. (1) "Do you believe there is a group that is manipulating world events?
A. (1) I believe people act according to whatever is in their best interests (for the most part). Hence, rich and prowerful people will behave in ways that serve the rich and powerful (i.e. protect their wealth and increase their profits - often at any cost). No, I don't believe there is ANY 'coherent group' where ALL the interests of the individual participants align perfectly or there is perfect co-ordination (or agreement in the execution of strategies) amongst such people. What brings these people together is their shared goals and agendas - > and that is to protect their existing wealth and to make more money (for which a certain amount of power and control is needed).
Hence, I don't believe in 'cabal' conspiracies or 'WEF' conspiracies. I find the behavior of such groups as the WEF perfectly NORMAL (though not acceptable according to me) and something to be EXPECTED. I would be surprised/puzzled if 'groups' like the WEF, etc. did NOT behave the way they do. (i.e. Power wants what power wants - and they will align themselves in whatever ways that help them achieve and expand this power).
>>Q. (2) "A powerful entity and the Zionists are merely tools like all other actors. Or is it an evil free for all?"
A. (2) Multiple questions/implications in the above statement. The "REAL tools" are the ordinary people that continue to support the unjust hieararchies created in society by the powerful. The "REAL tools" are the ones that don't have class consciousness. The "REAL tools" are the ones that do the bidding of TPTB (the powers that be). This is more than just about Zionists. Zionists are NOT monolithic - they come in many flavors, different motivations, and different positions in the hierarchy of 'class-based' societies. There are Zionists who are so specifically for the purpose of remaining at the top of such hierarchies (and Israel and the U.S. Empire helps them do so). Then there are other Zionists (eg. narrative-based Zionists) that have been gaslighted and indoctrinated with narratives and propaganda to serve the interests of those higher up the 'socio-economic' hierarchy (including by other Zionists (AND non-Zinists) on these higher rungs of the hierarchy).
The question of "an evil free for all" is a different discussion. People are motivated by different reasonings/rationality and psychopathies. EVIL is also a subjective thing. For eg. I consider ALL those people that exploit others for their own selfish interests to be EVIL (which obviously includes oligarchs, higher-order Capitalists, many people in positions of power and authority, fascists, bigots, racists, and much more - this is a really huge group of people IMO). Many Zionists and supporters of Israel (and the U.S. Empire) would fall under MY subjective interpretation of EVIL.
Thank for the response. I will mull it over. But it seems improbable that all these various groups vying for money and power do not kill each other off. Kind of like mafias fighting over turf. Seems they must be forced to make concessions annd agreements among themselves.
These 'people/groups' are ALWAYS fighting against each other. BUT, they are also fighting against everyone else in lower classes on the socio-economic heirarchy. What matters to the people at the top of the hierarchy more than ANYTHING ELSE is - to REMAIN at the top of the hierarchy. Hence, these 'people/groups' co-operate with each other to maintain the unjust hierarchical system WHILE ALSO competing with each other WITHIN their 'top rung' of the hierarchical system.
Here's an analogy: Say you have good friends but you compete with your friends (maybe in school/college, maybe in the workplace, maybe in other ways). At the same time, you are protective of your group of friends and will come to their aid if someone OUTSIDE of your group threatens your friends.
Another anology: Say you have siblings. You love your siblings and would do quite a bit to protect them. But you also have sibling rivalry at the same time (especially in the younger, growing years).
Hence, what these 'uber capitalists' do is that while they need to compete (sometimes even ruthlessly) with other members WITHIN the same/similar socio-economic level of the hierarchy, they will PROTECT THEIR CLASS (with murder and more if they have to) to remain at this top level of the heirarchy.
Hence, NUANCE is required. There are multiple, dynamic, and sometimes conflicting forces at play at all times. At some times, the most prominent behavior observed by these 'people/groups' will be IN-FIGHTING. At other times, these 'people/groups' will form organizations (like the WEF, etc.) and systems to PROTECT people in their OWN hierarchical level.
At the end of the day, as Karl Marx has said, the history of human civilizations is often a history of CLASS WARFARE - played out with variations depending on different contexts (i.e. periods of history) and the technological/scientific progress of the times.
The U.S. behavior (i.e. 100% full-throated support of Israel) is not really complex to understand (though it was for me when my awareness of history, geopolitics and capitalism was less). And Jews or Judaism are not the motivation/affinity behind the U.S. Empire's actions. At the end of the day, I would attribute the support for Israel/Zionism to 2 different groups ->
[A] Christian Zionists and other Zionists that actually believe in the bullshit 'second coming of God' narratives about Israel.
[B] TPTB (The Powers That Be) -> This group is not really concerned about religions or Jews. For them, it is more about global hegemony, profits, control over resources, keeping others exploitated so as to stay on top of the 'class hierarchy', etc. - basically what a (normal) ruthless Capitalist would do.
Hence, I'm not convinced by ANY of these 'Zionists/Jews in positions of power' narratives as being behind everything. One simple way to understand this is to look at ALL the billionaires, oligarchs, corporations, etc. that are NOT Jews or Zionists - they support Israel (and Zionists) as much as Israelis and Zionists. The reality is that THEIR (TPTB) INTERESTS ALIGN well with those of the Israelis/Zionists, hence they have the same goals. I am not a believer of 'Zionists/Jews control the world' narratives - such narratives are too simplistic for our complex world - and upon deeper examination (which few bother to do), the logic of such narratives falls apart.
I may not have made myself clear. I do not believe Zionists control the world or do I have the least bit antisemitic bias. However their control in the US is not a question.
Let me ask you a couple questions: Do you believe there is a group that is manipulating world events? A powerful entity and the Zionists are merely tools like all other actors. Or is it an evil free for all? Kind of like the question about intelligent design of the cosmos.
>>Q. (1) "Do you believe there is a group that is manipulating world events?
A. (1) I believe people act according to whatever is in their best interests (for the most part). Hence, rich and prowerful people will behave in ways that serve the rich and powerful (i.e. protect their wealth and increase their profits - often at any cost). No, I don't believe there is ANY 'coherent group' where ALL the interests of the individual participants align perfectly or there is perfect co-ordination (or agreement in the execution of strategies) amongst such people. What brings these people together is their shared goals and agendas - > and that is to protect their existing wealth and to make more money (for which a certain amount of power and control is needed).
Hence, I don't believe in 'cabal' conspiracies or 'WEF' conspiracies. I find the behavior of such groups as the WEF perfectly NORMAL (though not acceptable according to me) and something to be EXPECTED. I would be surprised/puzzled if 'groups' like the WEF, etc. did NOT behave the way they do. (i.e. Power wants what power wants - and they will align themselves in whatever ways that help them achieve and expand this power).
>>Q. (2) "A powerful entity and the Zionists are merely tools like all other actors. Or is it an evil free for all?"
A. (2) Multiple questions/implications in the above statement. The "REAL tools" are the ordinary people that continue to support the unjust hieararchies created in society by the powerful. The "REAL tools" are the ones that don't have class consciousness. The "REAL tools" are the ones that do the bidding of TPTB (the powers that be). This is more than just about Zionists. Zionists are NOT monolithic - they come in many flavors, different motivations, and different positions in the hierarchy of 'class-based' societies. There are Zionists who are so specifically for the purpose of remaining at the top of such hierarchies (and Israel and the U.S. Empire helps them do so). Then there are other Zionists (eg. narrative-based Zionists) that have been gaslighted and indoctrinated with narratives and propaganda to serve the interests of those higher up the 'socio-economic' hierarchy (including by other Zionists (AND non-Zinists) on these higher rungs of the hierarchy).
The question of "an evil free for all" is a different discussion. People are motivated by different reasonings/rationality and psychopathies. EVIL is also a subjective thing. For eg. I consider ALL those people that exploit others for their own selfish interests to be EVIL (which obviously includes oligarchs, higher-order Capitalists, many people in positions of power and authority, fascists, bigots, racists, and much more - this is a really huge group of people IMO). Many Zionists and supporters of Israel (and the U.S. Empire) would fall under MY subjective interpretation of EVIL.
Thank for the response. I will mull it over. But it seems improbable that all these various groups vying for money and power do not kill each other off. Kind of like mafias fighting over turf. Seems they must be forced to make concessions annd agreements among themselves.
These 'people/groups' are ALWAYS fighting against each other. BUT, they are also fighting against everyone else in lower classes on the socio-economic heirarchy. What matters to the people at the top of the hierarchy more than ANYTHING ELSE is - to REMAIN at the top of the hierarchy. Hence, these 'people/groups' co-operate with each other to maintain the unjust hierarchical system WHILE ALSO competing with each other WITHIN their 'top rung' of the hierarchical system.
Here's an analogy: Say you have good friends but you compete with your friends (maybe in school/college, maybe in the workplace, maybe in other ways). At the same time, you are protective of your group of friends and will come to their aid if someone OUTSIDE of your group threatens your friends.
Another anology: Say you have siblings. You love your siblings and would do quite a bit to protect them. But you also have sibling rivalry at the same time (especially in the younger, growing years).
Hence, what these 'uber capitalists' do is that while they need to compete (sometimes even ruthlessly) with other members WITHIN the same/similar socio-economic level of the hierarchy, they will PROTECT THEIR CLASS (with murder and more if they have to) to remain at this top level of the heirarchy.
Hence, NUANCE is required. There are multiple, dynamic, and sometimes conflicting forces at play at all times. At some times, the most prominent behavior observed by these 'people/groups' will be IN-FIGHTING. At other times, these 'people/groups' will form organizations (like the WEF, etc.) and systems to PROTECT people in their OWN hierarchical level.
At the end of the day, as Karl Marx has said, the history of human civilizations is often a history of CLASS WARFARE - played out with variations depending on different contexts (i.e. periods of history) and the technological/scientific progress of the times.