CJ>>"There is no way to permanently remove all Palestinians from a Palestinian territory without material coercion — meaning more mass scale violence and siege warfare."
Here is a suggestion Caitlin -> Since the U.S. Empire (and its Zionist supporters) like Israelis SO MUCH, why not MOVE EVERY SINGLE ZIONIST ISRAELI OUT OF PALESTINE and into America? (I'd really like to see how many American Zionist Jews and Christian Zionists would be willing to accept Israelis into THEIR COMMUNITIES - now that the WHOLE WORLD knows how psychopathic and sociopathic Israelis are).
And there should be a new law to go along with this FORCED DISPLACEMENT of Israeli Zionists to the U.S. -> They are only allowed to settle into those communities AFTER the communities get to VOTE on whether they would accept them or not. Of course, a lot more laws will need to be created to control this 'Israeli Zionist' population in the U.S. - but that's a problem for another day.
Wouldn't this solve MOST of the problems (other than the VACUUM of U.S. power created in the MENA region) for this 100+ year settler-colonial project?
When Trump was announcing his plan to depopulate Gaza and move them (loosely quoting) “to a beautiful city where everyone will be safe” I thought — if it’s so big and so beautiful how about the Zionists go there instead? No more worries about Hamas.
I think my motivation behind the reasoning of 'moving Zionist Israelis to the U.S.' is the following ->
(1) There are many similarities in culture of these two societies - i.e. settler-colonialism, genocide, apartheid, and more.
(2) I suspect that Israeli Zionists will add fuel to the 'process of destruction/dismantling' of the U.S. Empire - which is something that I believe will be GOOD for the whole world (including Americans that don't yet realize this).
(3) It seems unlikely that the U.S. Empire can be subdued by external forces. On the basis of that, one can only hope (and there might actually be a high probability for this) that these Israeli Zionists (along with the other Zionists in America) will destroy the EMPIRE from within.
I'm open to better (more feasible?) suggestions...
I knew there would be a serious reason for your suggestion.
Yes, I agree. The destruction of the country that the USA has become must come from the people. Must come from inside and not outside. Therefore, because of the time required for such changes, it will not be in my lifetime.
To come from outside would also mean a military solution, the destruction of half the planet, one way or another.
The more I read about how entrenched Zionists are in the US I firmly believe that if they chose to they could destroy the country. It sounds far fetched only if you are unaware how rooted they are in all the powerful positions. Most people understand that Zionists control the government to a large degree and that alone has potential for destruction. But business, banking, tech and if you do not know check out how many dual citizenship Israelis, and or Jews were involved with the Covid fiasco. From the CDC to Pfizer. Absolutely mind boggling. I wondered how Pfizer could lose a 2.1 billion dollar lawsuit for unethical and dangerous practices but be at the head of line for Covid MRNA therapy. I researched around and found out. RAFO
The question for me is are there Americans in the so called intelligence sector that are allowing this takeover? Are they working for some entity larger than the US or even the western nations combined? Even to write this sounds a bit crazy but facts are available and compelling.
The U.S. behavior (i.e. 100% full-throated support of Israel) is not really complex to understand (though it was for me when my awareness of history, geopolitics and capitalism was less). And Jews or Judaism are not the motivation/affinity behind the U.S. Empire's actions. At the end of the day, I would attribute the support for Israel/Zionism to 2 different groups ->
[A] Christian Zionists and other Zionists that actually believe in the bullshit 'second coming of God' narratives about Israel.
[B] TPTB (The Powers That Be) -> This group is not really concerned about religions or Jews. For them, it is more about global hegemony, profits, control over resources, keeping others exploitated so as to stay on top of the 'class hierarchy', etc. - basically what a (normal) ruthless Capitalist would do.
Hence, I'm not convinced by ANY of these 'Zionists/Jews in positions of power' narratives as being behind everything. One simple way to understand this is to look at ALL the billionaires, oligarchs, corporations, etc. that are NOT Jews or Zionists - they support Israel (and Zionists) as much as Israelis and Zionists. The reality is that THEIR (TPTB) INTERESTS ALIGN well with those of the Israelis/Zionists, hence they have the same goals. I am not a believer of 'Zionists/Jews control the world' narratives - such narratives are too simplistic for our complex world - and upon deeper examination (which few bother to do), the logic of such narratives falls apart.
I may not have made myself clear. I do not believe Zionists control the world or do I have the least bit antisemitic bias. However their control in the US is not a question.
Let me ask you a couple questions: Do you believe there is a group that is manipulating world events? A powerful entity and the Zionists are merely tools like all other actors. Or is it an evil free for all? Kind of like the question about intelligent design of the cosmos.
>>Q. (1) "Do you believe there is a group that is manipulating world events?
A. (1) I believe people act according to whatever is in their best interests (for the most part). Hence, rich and prowerful people will behave in ways that serve the rich and powerful (i.e. protect their wealth and increase their profits - often at any cost). No, I don't believe there is ANY 'coherent group' where ALL the interests of the individual participants align perfectly or there is perfect co-ordination (or agreement in the execution of strategies) amongst such people. What brings these people together is their shared goals and agendas - > and that is to protect their existing wealth and to make more money (for which a certain amount of power and control is needed).
Hence, I don't believe in 'cabal' conspiracies or 'WEF' conspiracies. I find the behavior of such groups as the WEF perfectly NORMAL (though not acceptable according to me) and something to be EXPECTED. I would be surprised/puzzled if 'groups' like the WEF, etc. did NOT behave the way they do. (i.e. Power wants what power wants - and they will align themselves in whatever ways that help them achieve and expand this power).
>>Q. (2) "A powerful entity and the Zionists are merely tools like all other actors. Or is it an evil free for all?"
A. (2) Multiple questions/implications in the above statement. The "REAL tools" are the ordinary people that continue to support the unjust hieararchies created in society by the powerful. The "REAL tools" are the ones that don't have class consciousness. The "REAL tools" are the ones that do the bidding of TPTB (the powers that be). This is more than just about Zionists. Zionists are NOT monolithic - they come in many flavors, different motivations, and different positions in the hierarchy of 'class-based' societies. There are Zionists who are so specifically for the purpose of remaining at the top of such hierarchies (and Israel and the U.S. Empire helps them do so). Then there are other Zionists (eg. narrative-based Zionists) that have been gaslighted and indoctrinated with narratives and propaganda to serve the interests of those higher up the 'socio-economic' hierarchy (including by other Zionists (AND non-Zinists) on these higher rungs of the hierarchy).
The question of "an evil free for all" is a different discussion. People are motivated by different reasonings/rationality and psychopathies. EVIL is also a subjective thing. For eg. I consider ALL those people that exploit others for their own selfish interests to be EVIL (which obviously includes oligarchs, higher-order Capitalists, many people in positions of power and authority, fascists, bigots, racists, and much more - this is a really huge group of people IMO). Many Zionists and supporters of Israel (and the U.S. Empire) would fall under MY subjective interpretation of EVIL.
I'm sorry, but the article is quite logically (and historically) flawed - it would take a whole another article to detail the errors, bias, and real anti-semitism/Jew-hatred in it - it even makes use of 'The Protocol of the Elders of Zion' to bolster its arguments.
I doubt the author of that article is able to make the distinctions between Jews, Judaism, Zionism. The other huge flaw in the article is that the author does not seem to understand the role CAPITALISM plays in the unfolding of events and the geostrategic motivations involved, not to mention how the global financial system works and how it is used in the context of Israel/Palestine (like I said, it will take a whole another article to list the errors...)
The article you mention is the 'precise' kind of shit/low-quality/neo-Nazi crap floating around on Substack that adds to the toxicity of Substack and hinders quality discussions.
Brilliant idea! Many (most?) Israelis have dual or triple nationality, so it would be much easier to relocate them back to their other country. Those not having a second nationality could be relocated to the country where their ancestors are buried.
I vote for them (Israeli Zionists - maybe even American Zionists) to be enclosed in tightly-controlled bantustans. There is a thriving PIC (Prison Industrial Complex) in the U.S. - maybe they can manage/control these Zionists (which I believe are a much higher danger/threat to society than the current occupants of these prisons).
Hell, maybe we can even get Zionists to exploit fellow Zionists - they seem to be psychopathically and sociopathically primed to exploit their own.
TEXAS. They can fill in all the spots of these crazy ass Christianized (I like Hedges' word -- not Christian, but Christianized) Fascists who invade NM every freakin month, keeping their TX plates, paying no taxes but working here. Screw 'em. Give their homesteads to the Zionists. Mostly hot & humid like Israel. Perfect fit.
CJ>>"There is no way to permanently remove all Palestinians from a Palestinian territory without material coercion — meaning more mass scale violence and siege warfare."
Here is a suggestion Caitlin -> Since the U.S. Empire (and its Zionist supporters) like Israelis SO MUCH, why not MOVE EVERY SINGLE ZIONIST ISRAELI OUT OF PALESTINE and into America? (I'd really like to see how many American Zionist Jews and Christian Zionists would be willing to accept Israelis into THEIR COMMUNITIES - now that the WHOLE WORLD knows how psychopathic and sociopathic Israelis are).
And there should be a new law to go along with this FORCED DISPLACEMENT of Israeli Zionists to the U.S. -> They are only allowed to settle into those communities AFTER the communities get to VOTE on whether they would accept them or not. Of course, a lot more laws will need to be created to control this 'Israeli Zionist' population in the U.S. - but that's a problem for another day.
Wouldn't this solve MOST of the problems (other than the VACUUM of U.S. power created in the MENA region) for this 100+ year settler-colonial project?
When Trump was announcing his plan to depopulate Gaza and move them (loosely quoting) “to a beautiful city where everyone will be safe” I thought — if it’s so big and so beautiful how about the Zionists go there instead? No more worries about Hamas.
Chang
Your suggestion about moving out the Israelis to the USA has great merit. Full marks.
However, not a lot of imagination required to anticipate how such a move would be regarded by the average decent American.
Make this suggestion to Miriam Adelson. She would certainly contribute to the cost of travel.............and so would I.
I think my motivation behind the reasoning of 'moving Zionist Israelis to the U.S.' is the following ->
(1) There are many similarities in culture of these two societies - i.e. settler-colonialism, genocide, apartheid, and more.
(2) I suspect that Israeli Zionists will add fuel to the 'process of destruction/dismantling' of the U.S. Empire - which is something that I believe will be GOOD for the whole world (including Americans that don't yet realize this).
(3) It seems unlikely that the U.S. Empire can be subdued by external forces. On the basis of that, one can only hope (and there might actually be a high probability for this) that these Israeli Zionists (along with the other Zionists in America) will destroy the EMPIRE from within.
I'm open to better (more feasible?) suggestions...
I knew there would be a serious reason for your suggestion.
Yes, I agree. The destruction of the country that the USA has become must come from the people. Must come from inside and not outside. Therefore, because of the time required for such changes, it will not be in my lifetime.
To come from outside would also mean a military solution, the destruction of half the planet, one way or another.
The more I read about how entrenched Zionists are in the US I firmly believe that if they chose to they could destroy the country. It sounds far fetched only if you are unaware how rooted they are in all the powerful positions. Most people understand that Zionists control the government to a large degree and that alone has potential for destruction. But business, banking, tech and if you do not know check out how many dual citizenship Israelis, and or Jews were involved with the Covid fiasco. From the CDC to Pfizer. Absolutely mind boggling. I wondered how Pfizer could lose a 2.1 billion dollar lawsuit for unethical and dangerous practices but be at the head of line for Covid MRNA therapy. I researched around and found out. RAFO
The question for me is are there Americans in the so called intelligence sector that are allowing this takeover? Are they working for some entity larger than the US or even the western nations combined? Even to write this sounds a bit crazy but facts are available and compelling.
The U.S. behavior (i.e. 100% full-throated support of Israel) is not really complex to understand (though it was for me when my awareness of history, geopolitics and capitalism was less). And Jews or Judaism are not the motivation/affinity behind the U.S. Empire's actions. At the end of the day, I would attribute the support for Israel/Zionism to 2 different groups ->
[A] Christian Zionists and other Zionists that actually believe in the bullshit 'second coming of God' narratives about Israel.
[B] TPTB (The Powers That Be) -> This group is not really concerned about religions or Jews. For them, it is more about global hegemony, profits, control over resources, keeping others exploitated so as to stay on top of the 'class hierarchy', etc. - basically what a (normal) ruthless Capitalist would do.
Hence, I'm not convinced by ANY of these 'Zionists/Jews in positions of power' narratives as being behind everything. One simple way to understand this is to look at ALL the billionaires, oligarchs, corporations, etc. that are NOT Jews or Zionists - they support Israel (and Zionists) as much as Israelis and Zionists. The reality is that THEIR (TPTB) INTERESTS ALIGN well with those of the Israelis/Zionists, hence they have the same goals. I am not a believer of 'Zionists/Jews control the world' narratives - such narratives are too simplistic for our complex world - and upon deeper examination (which few bother to do), the logic of such narratives falls apart.
I may not have made myself clear. I do not believe Zionists control the world or do I have the least bit antisemitic bias. However their control in the US is not a question.
Let me ask you a couple questions: Do you believe there is a group that is manipulating world events? A powerful entity and the Zionists are merely tools like all other actors. Or is it an evil free for all? Kind of like the question about intelligent design of the cosmos.
>>Q. (1) "Do you believe there is a group that is manipulating world events?
A. (1) I believe people act according to whatever is in their best interests (for the most part). Hence, rich and prowerful people will behave in ways that serve the rich and powerful (i.e. protect their wealth and increase their profits - often at any cost). No, I don't believe there is ANY 'coherent group' where ALL the interests of the individual participants align perfectly or there is perfect co-ordination (or agreement in the execution of strategies) amongst such people. What brings these people together is their shared goals and agendas - > and that is to protect their existing wealth and to make more money (for which a certain amount of power and control is needed).
Hence, I don't believe in 'cabal' conspiracies or 'WEF' conspiracies. I find the behavior of such groups as the WEF perfectly NORMAL (though not acceptable according to me) and something to be EXPECTED. I would be surprised/puzzled if 'groups' like the WEF, etc. did NOT behave the way they do. (i.e. Power wants what power wants - and they will align themselves in whatever ways that help them achieve and expand this power).
>>Q. (2) "A powerful entity and the Zionists are merely tools like all other actors. Or is it an evil free for all?"
A. (2) Multiple questions/implications in the above statement. The "REAL tools" are the ordinary people that continue to support the unjust hieararchies created in society by the powerful. The "REAL tools" are the ones that don't have class consciousness. The "REAL tools" are the ones that do the bidding of TPTB (the powers that be). This is more than just about Zionists. Zionists are NOT monolithic - they come in many flavors, different motivations, and different positions in the hierarchy of 'class-based' societies. There are Zionists who are so specifically for the purpose of remaining at the top of such hierarchies (and Israel and the U.S. Empire helps them do so). Then there are other Zionists (eg. narrative-based Zionists) that have been gaslighted and indoctrinated with narratives and propaganda to serve the interests of those higher up the 'socio-economic' hierarchy (including by other Zionists (AND non-Zinists) on these higher rungs of the hierarchy).
The question of "an evil free for all" is a different discussion. People are motivated by different reasonings/rationality and psychopathies. EVIL is also a subjective thing. For eg. I consider ALL those people that exploit others for their own selfish interests to be EVIL (which obviously includes oligarchs, higher-order Capitalists, many people in positions of power and authority, fascists, bigots, racists, and much more - this is a really huge group of people IMO). Many Zionists and supporters of Israel (and the U.S. Empire) would fall under MY subjective interpretation of EVIL.
We already have an occupied government. It's just seems obvious at this point.
Stuff nightmares are made of.
Read this piece to see how much global zionists control. https://jacksongunnbarrett.substack.com/p/reflections-on-the-influence-of-jewish?utm_source=publication-search
I'm sorry, but the article is quite logically (and historically) flawed - it would take a whole another article to detail the errors, bias, and real anti-semitism/Jew-hatred in it - it even makes use of 'The Protocol of the Elders of Zion' to bolster its arguments.
I doubt the author of that article is able to make the distinctions between Jews, Judaism, Zionism. The other huge flaw in the article is that the author does not seem to understand the role CAPITALISM plays in the unfolding of events and the geostrategic motivations involved, not to mention how the global financial system works and how it is used in the context of Israel/Palestine (like I said, it will take a whole another article to list the errors...)
The article you mention is the 'precise' kind of shit/low-quality/neo-Nazi crap floating around on Substack that adds to the toxicity of Substack and hinders quality discussions.
Make Palestine Again. Stop the Genocide/Holocaust Now.
Brilliant idea! Many (most?) Israelis have dual or triple nationality, so it would be much easier to relocate them back to their other country. Those not having a second nationality could be relocated to the country where their ancestors are buried.
Problem solved.
Hi Chang,, there’s already an “IsraHell” in Amerikkka; it’s called Noo Yawk Shitty.
Move ‘em there and cut that shithole loose.
I'm in agreement with you. Lets all vote on this ASAP! Maybe tomorro! We all have phones. Should be relatively easy process.
I vote for them (Israeli Zionists - maybe even American Zionists) to be enclosed in tightly-controlled bantustans. There is a thriving PIC (Prison Industrial Complex) in the U.S. - maybe they can manage/control these Zionists (which I believe are a much higher danger/threat to society than the current occupants of these prisons).
Hell, maybe we can even get Zionists to exploit fellow Zionists - they seem to be psychopathically and sociopathically primed to exploit their own.
TEXAS. They can fill in all the spots of these crazy ass Christianized (I like Hedges' word -- not Christian, but Christianized) Fascists who invade NM every freakin month, keeping their TX plates, paying no taxes but working here. Screw 'em. Give their homesteads to the Zionists. Mostly hot & humid like Israel. Perfect fit.