He absconded with the US presidency, it was a magic trick and he did it in plain sight, all while the elite snickered at him. It was certainly the greatest electoral feat in American history. The fact of trumps ascendency is beacon of hope - he defeated everything Caitlin rails against. Democracy worked in this case, but, never again has been the elite rallying cry ever since.
Trump was an unauthorized President and Caitlin is altogether right in this article - control the narrative, control allowable speech, control what and how we think is the game - it is obsessed over by the commentariat - and Trump defeated it.
Yes he was a bloviating incompetent ignoramus but that’s besides the point, his presidency was largely a nothing. Trump’s ascendency is the point, the greatest political feat in our lifetime and the fact that his presidency was completely incompetent, loathsome and crude is and was worth it.
The great hegemony of which Caitlin speaks is polite and proper and all gussied up with the trappings of wokeness - I will take the homespun Trump voter any time.
Let's not get carried away. Trump was just an unlikely elitist, is all. In fact, that's why Clinton and the DNC got behind his candidacy to begin with. He ran as a populist outsider (as many presidents have done before) and popularized the term deep state -- which was commendable -- but then tortured Assange. Once elected, he governed as your typical shitty republican president, the details of which I don't really need to itemize here.
Again, what's needed lies far outside what a Trump can deliver, and maintaining a Them-or-Trump dichotomy only keeps the current clownshow going. Trump may have infuriated the narrative, but he certainly didn't defeat it.
Yes agreed, my little screed went off track, I meant to say Trump was heterodox stylistically but brainlessly pursued orthodox GOP political goals. His genius was a fluke. He got it, felt it, channeled it, and some how he flaunted conventional wisdom and broke every rule of electoral politics and rode that chaos to victory. I know “greatest political feat ever “ is big but it is fitting, he broke the machine and his rudeness was for me a bonus a gift from heaven, he was colon hydrotherapy for our masters.
Trump offered change in a change year election. This took no genius. On the democratic side Sanders drew enormous crowds doing the same thing, until he was kneecapped by the Obama/Clinton axis of evil. Trump -- the salesman -- knew what Americans were buying. That's all.
No, much bigger - sui generous - look at the ferocity of the counter action, the elite have gone insane. Caitlin suggests the elite are showing signs that their manipulations and machinations are in trouble, their motivation increasingly plain to see and that is cause for hope. I don’t share that conclusion but as usual she expresses herself well.
Say what you will about "typical shitty republican," at least the Republican Party was democratic enough that it was theoretically possible for him to win. The GOP is apparently somewhat capable of reform, not under complete domination by the elites. The asses are not. They'd best go the way of the Whigs. Any 3rd party candidate is better than a Dem.
Hilarious! Trump labelled the 'Elitist' by you? I'm wondering if you aren't the They yourself now... And you have the nerve to bad-mouth Trump for even trying...do you know how dangerous that was? As to Assange, Trump would have pardoned him but his 'advisors' in the Military/Brown Shirt Bureaucracies convinced him not too. The rule of law and all that... He was played, he didn't understand, like most, just how deep the DS really is. And as written by you above, well, the They's propaganda is still very much alive and well. Orange Man BAD! Just keep that front and center...
That's your answer? Sorry but that's what I said, guess you didn't read it. You seem Hell bent though on trashing Trump who was indeed an outsider to the Swamp. How about you reply to that? He had never held political office. And he used his own money in the Primary because he knew the fake Republicans would not back him..., because he was not sold out already. And he called out the no-good lying Fake News to the point they crapped their pants on live TV many times (how happy that made me, still feel the goose-bumps of truth being said), and they have not recovered to this day! But, you, take pot shots from the side lines, which is a huge Tell. I think you are a part of the whole defamation campaign yourself? Talk about a Cult... Sorry, but I'm not about to trash Trump as a cultist, he actually was after the pedo's (4th Floor Murderer's) and other assorted trash we call our elected politicians, judges, and Administrative State. They feared him and they really had no one to fear till then...
My take is that the establishment indeed threw everything they had against him; he didn't help himself by running a pretty dismal re-election campaign and surrounding himself with some pretty dismal swamp creatures.
It was all rigged, top to bottom, even the election and so much more... You believe the voting just stopped in the middle of the night? Hilarious. That all kinds of 'mail-in' voters were just found? You believe the leaked narrative one week ahead of the AZ audit canvass saying, "Biden won!" wasn't propaganda from the legacy media/CIA/as instructed by Vanguard Etc., when they knew what the canvass really found? Tell me you believe the results from all the foreign servers etc. #LMAO! Trump had to Go! He was a neophyte in the Swamp, the most honest person there in reality. He did one BIG HUGE thing however, he called them out to their smarmy faces: FAKE NEWS! He does not get near enough credit for that..., he used their own networks to do it too! How I loved that. Genius! That alone was worth his presidency! And now we have Biden as Vanguard/BlackRock's new Puppet. So much better...#LMAO sadly again! They are back in power, but they have taken a lot of incoming...and are going to get some more it looks like.
OK that’s it Jackie speaks for me. I find it amazing that people who recognize this illiberal moment for what it is )like Riff and Caitlin) can’t see past Trumps personal foibles. Mr. Trump gamed the system and stole the Oval Office. This is the system of elites that you decry and he beat it. What gives? Don’t you understand that Trump was a victory for people who want to reject global hegemonic imperial power. Trump thought the establishment were hypocrites and said it every chance he had. As Jackie says - genius. Insofar as Trump was a liar it was out of incompetence and combativeness. The elite are so much smoother and refined in there lies - I believe that is Caitlin’s enduring analysis and constant theme.
When I look at Trump in office, RJF, I see no sweeping away of the Deep State; no pause in their hegemonic grip.
Trump ran a great outsider campaign during a change election and sometimes said the right things. Drain the swamp, yada, yada,yada. But what did he actually do with his Golden Moment? He seemed to make the Deep State pretty darned happy: he tortured Assange; he propped up Israel and the Saudis; he sanctioned Russia, Iran, and Venezuela; he let dull tools like Pompeo and Bolton have their way; he funneled trillions of dollars to Wall Street; he passed a historic, bloated military budget; he stirred up trouble with China; he called whistleblowers traitors. Some champion of the people you got yourself there.
Oh, but called out the NYT and Jim Acosta as fake news. Whooptie-do. And THIS is your big bring-down-American-hegemonic-power hero? Sorry, I just don't get it. This sounds a lot like the same old QAnon BS trying to make Trump into some noble icon that he sadly was not.
Scratch Trump and policy-wise you pretty much reveal a run-of-the-mill shitty republican president; you and Jackie will no doubt continue to believe otherwise.
Aside from such shenanigans, Trump ran a shitty re-election campaign and during his tenure surrounded himself with some shitty swamp people, one assumes willingly (Bolton, Pompeo, Addelson come to mind). There is no "They" who are responsible for that and Trump fanboys (or gals) need to own that. Your unwillingness to see this constitutes a weakness in your arguments as glaring as those Obamaphiles who still maintain that his greatness was done in by those mean republicans.
#LMAO! Talk about 'shitty' this and 'shitty' that...he was no Pedo though and he? He was after them. He was after the Fake News! I'm sure that was a real bad thing...terrible, shitty really. Pile it on Riff, it just makes me happier, huge Tell.
It was a fluke, the They couldn't get ahead of it fast enough to rig it, their software and servers etc. just weren't capable of dealing with it, they made some strategic errors and the Public was no longer quite so Educated/Propagandized as before and over voted them. The They fixed it though this time didn't They? All better now...
OK I gotcha you’re calling the elite the “they”. I actually think they just thought he was a buffoon and had no way of winning so they didn’t realize the peril. I also thought he was a buffoon who had no chance of winning.
Oh please RJF, you call Trump a 'peril'? Are you kidding me? You like the Pedo's, corrupt to the teeth government, and their Hollywood, Fake News and Big Tech 'sponsors'/censors, gun confiscators, all led by Vanguard et. al. from afar? So much better than Trump? You obviously bought the propaganda, no worries many like you all over the planet. Now you have your wish, all back to 'normal'. Orange Man BAD!
I’m a big fan of Trump.
He absconded with the US presidency, it was a magic trick and he did it in plain sight, all while the elite snickered at him. It was certainly the greatest electoral feat in American history. The fact of trumps ascendency is beacon of hope - he defeated everything Caitlin rails against. Democracy worked in this case, but, never again has been the elite rallying cry ever since.
Trump was an unauthorized President and Caitlin is altogether right in this article - control the narrative, control allowable speech, control what and how we think is the game - it is obsessed over by the commentariat - and Trump defeated it.
Yes he was a bloviating incompetent ignoramus but that’s besides the point, his presidency was largely a nothing. Trump’s ascendency is the point, the greatest political feat in our lifetime and the fact that his presidency was completely incompetent, loathsome and crude is and was worth it.
The great hegemony of which Caitlin speaks is polite and proper and all gussied up with the trappings of wokeness - I will take the homespun Trump voter any time.
Let's not get carried away. Trump was just an unlikely elitist, is all. In fact, that's why Clinton and the DNC got behind his candidacy to begin with. He ran as a populist outsider (as many presidents have done before) and popularized the term deep state -- which was commendable -- but then tortured Assange. Once elected, he governed as your typical shitty republican president, the details of which I don't really need to itemize here.
Again, what's needed lies far outside what a Trump can deliver, and maintaining a Them-or-Trump dichotomy only keeps the current clownshow going. Trump may have infuriated the narrative, but he certainly didn't defeat it.
Yes agreed, my little screed went off track, I meant to say Trump was heterodox stylistically but brainlessly pursued orthodox GOP political goals. His genius was a fluke. He got it, felt it, channeled it, and some how he flaunted conventional wisdom and broke every rule of electoral politics and rode that chaos to victory. I know “greatest political feat ever “ is big but it is fitting, he broke the machine and his rudeness was for me a bonus a gift from heaven, he was colon hydrotherapy for our masters.
Trump offered change in a change year election. This took no genius. On the democratic side Sanders drew enormous crowds doing the same thing, until he was kneecapped by the Obama/Clinton axis of evil. Trump -- the salesman -- knew what Americans were buying. That's all.
No, much bigger - sui generous - look at the ferocity of the counter action, the elite have gone insane. Caitlin suggests the elite are showing signs that their manipulations and machinations are in trouble, their motivation increasingly plain to see and that is cause for hope. I don’t share that conclusion but as usual she expresses herself well.
"I don’t share that conclusion but as usual she expresses herself well." I started my day with a similar observation.
Say what you will about "typical shitty republican," at least the Republican Party was democratic enough that it was theoretically possible for him to win. The GOP is apparently somewhat capable of reform, not under complete domination by the elites. The asses are not. They'd best go the way of the Whigs. Any 3rd party candidate is better than a Dem.
According to polls both party's leadership is way out of step with their grassroots, the democrats believably moreso.
Hilarious! Trump labelled the 'Elitist' by you? I'm wondering if you aren't the They yourself now... And you have the nerve to bad-mouth Trump for even trying...do you know how dangerous that was? As to Assange, Trump would have pardoned him but his 'advisors' in the Military/Brown Shirt Bureaucracies convinced him not too. The rule of law and all that... He was played, he didn't understand, like most, just how deep the DS really is. And as written by you above, well, the They's propaganda is still very much alive and well. Orange Man BAD! Just keep that front and center...
Anyone who empowers someone like Pompeo is not serious about fighting the deep state, and never was. Period.
That's your answer? Sorry but that's what I said, guess you didn't read it. You seem Hell bent though on trashing Trump who was indeed an outsider to the Swamp. How about you reply to that? He had never held political office. And he used his own money in the Primary because he knew the fake Republicans would not back him..., because he was not sold out already. And he called out the no-good lying Fake News to the point they crapped their pants on live TV many times (how happy that made me, still feel the goose-bumps of truth being said), and they have not recovered to this day! But, you, take pot shots from the side lines, which is a huge Tell. I think you are a part of the whole defamation campaign yourself? Talk about a Cult... Sorry, but I'm not about to trash Trump as a cultist, he actually was after the pedo's (4th Floor Murderer's) and other assorted trash we call our elected politicians, judges, and Administrative State. They feared him and they really had no one to fear till then...
Trump was the only one not playing the 'They's' tune and so, he was taken out. If you didn't notice that then...whatever.
My take is that the establishment indeed threw everything they had against him; he didn't help himself by running a pretty dismal re-election campaign and surrounding himself with some pretty dismal swamp creatures.
It was all rigged, top to bottom, even the election and so much more... You believe the voting just stopped in the middle of the night? Hilarious. That all kinds of 'mail-in' voters were just found? You believe the leaked narrative one week ahead of the AZ audit canvass saying, "Biden won!" wasn't propaganda from the legacy media/CIA/as instructed by Vanguard Etc., when they knew what the canvass really found? Tell me you believe the results from all the foreign servers etc. #LMAO! Trump had to Go! He was a neophyte in the Swamp, the most honest person there in reality. He did one BIG HUGE thing however, he called them out to their smarmy faces: FAKE NEWS! He does not get near enough credit for that..., he used their own networks to do it too! How I loved that. Genius! That alone was worth his presidency! And now we have Biden as Vanguard/BlackRock's new Puppet. So much better...#LMAO sadly again! They are back in power, but they have taken a lot of incoming...and are going to get some more it looks like.
OK that’s it Jackie speaks for me. I find it amazing that people who recognize this illiberal moment for what it is )like Riff and Caitlin) can’t see past Trumps personal foibles. Mr. Trump gamed the system and stole the Oval Office. This is the system of elites that you decry and he beat it. What gives? Don’t you understand that Trump was a victory for people who want to reject global hegemonic imperial power. Trump thought the establishment were hypocrites and said it every chance he had. As Jackie says - genius. Insofar as Trump was a liar it was out of incompetence and combativeness. The elite are so much smoother and refined in there lies - I believe that is Caitlin’s enduring analysis and constant theme.
When I look at Trump in office, RJF, I see no sweeping away of the Deep State; no pause in their hegemonic grip.
Trump ran a great outsider campaign during a change election and sometimes said the right things. Drain the swamp, yada, yada,yada. But what did he actually do with his Golden Moment? He seemed to make the Deep State pretty darned happy: he tortured Assange; he propped up Israel and the Saudis; he sanctioned Russia, Iran, and Venezuela; he let dull tools like Pompeo and Bolton have their way; he funneled trillions of dollars to Wall Street; he passed a historic, bloated military budget; he stirred up trouble with China; he called whistleblowers traitors. Some champion of the people you got yourself there.
Oh, but called out the NYT and Jim Acosta as fake news. Whooptie-do. And THIS is your big bring-down-American-hegemonic-power hero? Sorry, I just don't get it. This sounds a lot like the same old QAnon BS trying to make Trump into some noble icon that he sadly was not.
Scratch Trump and policy-wise you pretty much reveal a run-of-the-mill shitty republican president; you and Jackie will no doubt continue to believe otherwise.
You bet I will continue to believe 'otherwise' Riff. You Tell on yourself...
Ok the other side and well enunciated.
Aside from such shenanigans, Trump ran a shitty re-election campaign and during his tenure surrounded himself with some shitty swamp people, one assumes willingly (Bolton, Pompeo, Addelson come to mind). There is no "They" who are responsible for that and Trump fanboys (or gals) need to own that. Your unwillingness to see this constitutes a weakness in your arguments as glaring as those Obamaphiles who still maintain that his greatness was done in by those mean republicans.
#LMAO! Talk about 'shitty' this and 'shitty' that...he was no Pedo though and he? He was after them. He was after the Fake News! I'm sure that was a real bad thing...terrible, shitty really. Pile it on Riff, it just makes me happier, huge Tell.
His 2016 victory was a fluke based on intuition and his intuition let him down the second time.
Nah, I think Trump won. No one can convince me that 81 million people voted for a dementia patient.
You go girl!
Agreed. It’s way more than that, but yes, it’s not even in the realm of possible.
It was a fluke, the They couldn't get ahead of it fast enough to rig it, their software and servers etc. just weren't capable of dealing with it, they made some strategic errors and the Public was no longer quite so Educated/Propagandized as before and over voted them. The They fixed it though this time didn't They? All better now...
OK I gotcha you’re calling the elite the “they”. I actually think they just thought he was a buffoon and had no way of winning so they didn’t realize the peril. I also thought he was a buffoon who had no chance of winning.
Oh please RJF, you call Trump a 'peril'? Are you kidding me? You like the Pedo's, corrupt to the teeth government, and their Hollywood, Fake News and Big Tech 'sponsors'/censors, gun confiscators, all led by Vanguard et. al. from afar? So much better than Trump? You obviously bought the propaganda, no worries many like you all over the planet. Now you have your wish, all back to 'normal'. Orange Man BAD!
Not sure what you mean by they’s tune