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WAHomeowners's avatar

Stupid people support Barack Obama too.

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Riff McClavin's avatar

Between Trump, Obama, AOC, and Clinton, it's hard to tell which has the most ass-crazy cult of personality going for it.

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WAHomeowners's avatar

I was pretty excited when AOC first came in the scene. But, then between her pic of her, her mother and Pelosi on her Twitter page....and the Netflix propaganda "documentary" about her rise to power, I knew once again they tried to fool me. Now, I simply don't vote. Why? Tell me it matters.....

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Riff McClavin's avatar

Hey, I was excited voting for Obama the first time. Then he picked his cabinet...

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Jackie's avatar

You should just say between Vanguard, BlackRock, and the Others it's hard to tell which has the most ass-crazy cult. But leave Trump out, he actually wasn't bought and paid for...he tried to work within the They's Swamp and the They certainly fixed his wagon, didn't They?

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WAHomeowners's avatar

Trump picked Mnuchin. That tells me everything I need to know about Trump's claim of draining the swamp.

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Riff McClavin's avatar

...and picked Pompeo

...and bombed Syria

...and supported Israel

...and sanctioned Venezuela

...and locked up Assange

...and transferred a gazillion dollars to Wall Street

Facts can never win a battle against belief. Any one of these is enough to show there was no swamp-draining going on. "Draining the Swamp" is merely "Hope and Change" for the QAnon crowd.

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Riff McClavin's avatar

Oh, I see. "They all have a cult of personality except my guy." Right.

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Jackie's avatar

That's not what I said and you know it. You are Telling on yourself, sorry to say.

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Riff McClavin's avatar

Just to be clear, are you saying that you believe that Trump does not also have a cult of personality just as obtuse as those other politicians I mentioned?

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Jackie's avatar

Just to be clear, 'cult' is a trigger word, and you used it for that very reason. So, you have to prove all of those you mentioned are from a cult or lead a cult, otherwise you are doing what the media does all the time: Make a statement as if it's true and then ask a question regarding it..., sorry, but that's over, understand? It's a new day! Just like Caitlin pointed out. You are quite the artist at it though I must say... Trump was his own man from the get go, hate him or love him, he was after the real 'cult'.

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Jeff Biss's avatar

To split lines here, Obama offered the hope of a progressive and he turned out to be no more than a moderate Republican, to the left of the GOP, but certainly no progressive. So, those that gave him a chance and came to disappointment are not stupid, they accept the reality of his failings. Those that continue to apologize for him are stupid as they fail to see those failings.

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WAHomeowners's avatar

Anyone who continues to support Obama after watching him allow 15 mil unlawful foreclosures while allowing the crooks to escape prosecution is stupid.

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Jeff Biss's avatar

What unlawful foreclosures? OK, list the actual laws that Obama would have used to prosecute those in the financial industry for the subprime mortgage crisis.

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WAHomeowners's avatar

Forgery

Securities Fraud

Wire Fraud

Mail Fraud

Fraud Upon the Courts

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Jeff Biss's avatar

Not good enough. Find actual information that indicates that they had evidence that they did something prosecutable and link to those stories.

The problem here is in the deregulation that was the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act that repealed the Glass-Steagall Act. What was once illegal, such as a bank participating in speculation, was no longer. The problem was that there were areas that were not regulated, such as in the mortgage brokerage business. Regulated banks had rules to apply when granting loans that mortgage brokers didn't. So, while a regulated bank could grant subprime loans, it had to qualify the borrower and have more reserves to handle the additional risk of those borrowers.

Mortgage brokers didn't. They sold high risk subprime loans to everyone because those brought the highest price when the loan was sold to Wall Street because of the higher interest rates for investors. They sold subprime loans to fully qualified customers too. People defaulted on their loans. They were lawfully foreclosed, regardless of how they were sold the loan.

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WAHomeowners's avatar

Is it fun being clueless?

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