The Holomodor was not intentional but incompetence and a disregard for those who suffered. The genocidal holocaust in Gaza in particular and all of Occupied Palestine is completely intentional and planned.
*Disregard is being harsh, but even if that's true, it was widespread disregard not targeted at Ukraine either before or after. To say as much like Pippi does is rank disingenuous intellectual fraud.
Yes, the Holomodor was more complex and not official policy for exterminating Ukrainians in the way that Israel has always had a policy of exterminating non-Jews, particularly the Palestinians.
The Holomodor was more like famines which happened in Ireland and India during British rule. Incompetence, indifference, ignorance rather than active policies to kill a group.
Exactly right, with one caveat. The "Irish Potato Famine" WAS an engineered attempt at genocide, or at the very least an intentional "let's let it happen so we can suppress the Irish and profit" situation.
I am not sure the Malthusian connection holds up. The famine happened because the Irish were dependent on one crop, potatoes. And yes, there were reasons for that but little evidence it was a plan.
And yes the British considered the Irish to be primitive, no doubt as the Irish considered the Scots to be primitive when they colonised their land.
There have been major famines in Malawi, where I lived for more than five years for the same reason - reliance on one crop, maize, which, when it failed meant the people starved.
The situation in Malawi arise from ignorance, arrogance, greed on the part of Government and chiefs and no doubt the same in Ireland. Was it an active plan on the part of those in control to starve the Malawians to death? No. And neither was it a plan to starve the Irish. The Malawi famines were caused by Malawians and not an occupier.
Same with the Bengal famine blamed by some on the British as an intentional extermination plan. Which if studied in the times and the history again makes no sense. Having lived in India for nearly five years I have read a lot of its history in situ.
Any study of history shows that most disasters are the result of arrogance, ignorance, stupidity, greed and self-serving actions rather than an actual plan or conspiracy.
The Irish famine was a tragedy for many and a new life in the Americas, Australia and New Zealand for many more. And Ireland today is doing well. It is probably time for them to put down their mantle of victimhood for such robes are always destructive as we see in Israel.
I dunno. But check out the Gravel Institute YouTube vid I posted. Makes a compelling case in ~12min. Apparently plenty of food was being IMPORTED into Ireland, but used mainly or solely to feed cattle that were slaughtered to be exported back to England. It was not just a "potato" thing.
Yes I did check it out. I have read a lot of history and studied psychology and anthropology as an amateur and lived in a dozen different countries which influences my application of common sense. I could be wrong of course.
The Holomodor was not intentional but incompetence and a disregard for those who suffered. The genocidal holocaust in Gaza in particular and all of Occupied Palestine is completely intentional and planned.
*Disregard is being harsh, but even if that's true, it was widespread disregard not targeted at Ukraine either before or after. To say as much like Pippi does is rank disingenuous intellectual fraud.
Yes, the Holomodor was more complex and not official policy for exterminating Ukrainians in the way that Israel has always had a policy of exterminating non-Jews, particularly the Palestinians.
The Holomodor was more like famines which happened in Ireland and India during British rule. Incompetence, indifference, ignorance rather than active policies to kill a group.
Exactly right, with one caveat. The "Irish Potato Famine" WAS an engineered attempt at genocide, or at the very least an intentional "let's let it happen so we can suppress the Irish and profit" situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nL_RsAjxhg
Absolutely correct, Tom.
There were ships laden with food for the Irish people on the coast which the Bastard Brits refused to allow in.
Much of the financing for the goods
Intended for the Irish came from Native American tribes.
I am not sure the Malthusian connection holds up. The famine happened because the Irish were dependent on one crop, potatoes. And yes, there were reasons for that but little evidence it was a plan.
And yes the British considered the Irish to be primitive, no doubt as the Irish considered the Scots to be primitive when they colonised their land.
There have been major famines in Malawi, where I lived for more than five years for the same reason - reliance on one crop, maize, which, when it failed meant the people starved.
The situation in Malawi arise from ignorance, arrogance, greed on the part of Government and chiefs and no doubt the same in Ireland. Was it an active plan on the part of those in control to starve the Malawians to death? No. And neither was it a plan to starve the Irish. The Malawi famines were caused by Malawians and not an occupier.
Same with the Bengal famine blamed by some on the British as an intentional extermination plan. Which if studied in the times and the history again makes no sense. Having lived in India for nearly five years I have read a lot of its history in situ.
Any study of history shows that most disasters are the result of arrogance, ignorance, stupidity, greed and self-serving actions rather than an actual plan or conspiracy.
The Irish famine was a tragedy for many and a new life in the Americas, Australia and New Zealand for many more. And Ireland today is doing well. It is probably time for them to put down their mantle of victimhood for such robes are always destructive as we see in Israel.
I dunno. But check out the Gravel Institute YouTube vid I posted. Makes a compelling case in ~12min. Apparently plenty of food was being IMPORTED into Ireland, but used mainly or solely to feed cattle that were slaughtered to be exported back to England. It was not just a "potato" thing.
Yes I did check it out. I have read a lot of history and studied psychology and anthropology as an amateur and lived in a dozen different countries which influences my application of common sense. I could be wrong of course.