The Holomodor was not intentional but incompetence and a disregard for those who suffered. The genocidal holocaust in Gaza in particular and all of Occupied Palestine is completely intentional and planned.
*Disregard is being harsh, but even if that's true, it was widespread disregard not targeted at Ukraine either before or after. To say as much like Pippi does is rank disingenuous intellectual fraud.
Yes, the Holomodor was more complex and not official policy for exterminating Ukrainians in the way that Israel has always had a policy of exterminating non-Jews, particularly the Palestinians.
The Holomodor was more like famines which happened in Ireland and India during British rule. Incompetence, indifference, ignorance rather than active policies to kill a group.
Exactly right, with one caveat. The "Irish Potato Famine" WAS an engineered attempt at genocide, or at the very least an intentional "let's let it happen so we can suppress the Irish and profit" situation.
I am not sure the Malthusian connection holds up. The famine happened because the Irish were dependent on one crop, potatoes. And yes, there were reasons for that but little evidence it was a plan.
And yes the British considered the Irish to be primitive, no doubt as the Irish considered the Scots to be primitive when they colonised their land.
There have been major famines in Malawi, where I lived for more than five years for the same reason - reliance on one crop, maize, which, when it failed meant the people starved.
The situation in Malawi arise from ignorance, arrogance, greed on the part of Government and chiefs and no doubt the same in Ireland. Was it an active plan on the part of those in control to starve the Malawians to death? No. And neither was it a plan to starve the Irish. The Malawi famines were caused by Malawians and not an occupier.
Same with the Bengal famine blamed by some on the British as an intentional extermination plan. Which if studied in the times and the history again makes no sense. Having lived in India for nearly five years I have read a lot of its history in situ.
Any study of history shows that most disasters are the result of arrogance, ignorance, stupidity, greed and self-serving actions rather than an actual plan or conspiracy.
The Irish famine was a tragedy for many and a new life in the Americas, Australia and New Zealand for many more. And Ireland today is doing well. It is probably time for them to put down their mantle of victimhood for such robes are always destructive as we see in Israel.
I dunno. But check out the Gravel Institute YouTube vid I posted. Makes a compelling case in ~12min. Apparently plenty of food was being IMPORTED into Ireland, but used mainly or solely to feed cattle that were slaughtered to be exported back to England. It was not just a "potato" thing.
Jones himself admitted it was not intentional genocide [like what the Zionists are doing to the Palestinians].
On the 13th of April of 1933, Gareth Jones expands in this article his claim regarding the cause of the situation. He states “the main reason for the catastrophe in Russian agriculture is the Soviet policy of collectivisation.”
Today, by the “holodomor-genocide” campaigners, collectivization is pushed as being the sole cause of the situation. Despite this, Gareth Jones of all people, even admitted the following factors played a role: natural droughts in some areas, landowning kulaks who he says their “incentive to work disappeared”, “massacre of cattle by peasants not wishing to sacrifice their property for nothing to the collective farm”, and that “prices have dropped most in precisely those products, wheat, timber, oil, butter, & co., which the Soviet Union exports, and least in those products, such as machinery, which the Soviet Union imports”.
In the previously attached article from April 13th of 1933, Jones also predicted that the next harvest will likely be worse and stated, “The outlook for the next harvest is, therefore, black. It is dangerous to make any prophecy, for the miracle of perfect climatic conditions can always make good a part of the unfavourable factors.”
Jones placed the blame mainly on the Soviet policies of collectivization, but still admitted — unlike the “holodomor-genocide” campaigners of today — the previously stated factors. Today if you mention these factors, you are demonized by certain people as being just as bad as the people who deny the holocaust, that you are a genocide denier equal to a holocaust denier.
Murdered in Mongolia in 1935 on the orders of Stalin, the Welsh investigative journalist Gareth Jones is a national hero in Ukraine for reporting the truth about the Holodomor (the Soviet Union’s politically-driven famine that killed millions) and is widely believed to be the inspiration for the character Mr Jones in George Orwell’s Animal Farm. A graduate of Aberystwyth, Strasbourg and Cambridge universities, Jones—who spoke five languages—was talented, well-connected, and determined to discover the truth behind the momentous political events of the post-war period. He travelled widely to report on Mussolini’s Italy, the fledgling Irish Free State, and the Depression-ravaged United States, and was the first foreign journalist to travel with Hitler and Goebbels after the Nazis had taken power in Germany. Jones’ quest for truth also drew him to the Soviet Union in 1934 where his reporting of the Holodomor incurred the wrath of Stalin. The following year, on the eve of his 30th birthday, Jones was shot dead by Chinese communist bandits with links to the NKVD, the Soviet Union’s secret police, and is buried in his hometown of Barry in Wales. Now the subject of Mr Jones, a feature film that depicts his battle against the Kremlin’s ‘fake news’ agenda of famine denial, The Man Who Knew Too Much is the first biography of Gareth Jones and reveals the remarkable yet tragically short life of this fascinating and determined Welshman who pioneered the role of investigative journalism.
There are many pictures purporting to depict the famine still circulating these days. These were in fact published by the German and American pro-Nazi Press (such as Hearst Press). These pictures however, are mainly used for shock value since the existence of starvation says nothing about its causes or its severity. They are used in order to depict the monstrosity of the famine, to win sympathy to the Holodomor theory. Naturally, the famine was a humanitarian disaster but that doesn’t make the Holodomor theory any more true.
I am not exaggerating when I say these pictures were published by the Nazis or their supporters such as the American Hearst Press. On top of that most of them are not actually taken where they claim to be. Many of the photographs are actually from World War One, the American civil war, the great depression, or the Russian civil war. Since those days this array of fraudulent “Holodomor photos” has been supplemented with pictures from the siege of Leningrad, battle of Kharkov etc. Probably the best individual study of the use of fake Holodomor photos by the far-right is D. Tottle’s Fraud, Famine and Fascism.
Despite these pictures and other material published by the nazis and their American supporters, there is no evidence–not even bad evidence–to suggest the famine was deliberate or man-made.
Gareth Jones was a Hitler associate and the story of the 'Holodomor' was fabricated by the likes of Nazis, Bandera and his OUN acolytes. All as part of the campaign to demonize the Soviet Union and launder the image of the "former" Nazis welcomed into the West after WWII, often with both of those goals being part of the same operation.
Its origins are widely credited to a Welsh man named Gareth Jones. Who was he? Jones before arriving in the Soviet Union in March of 1933, he was in nazi Germany. In an article entitled, “WITH HITLER ACROSS GERMANY” which was published on February 23rd of 1933, he outlines his experience flying on Hitler’s private plane along with other high ranking nazi officials such as Goebbels. In the piece he says of the nazi leaders, “There is nothing hard and Prussian about my fellow-passengers. They could not be more friendly and polite, even if I were a red-hot nazi myself.” Continuing, after fawning over the nazis, he says regarding Hitler: “There are two Hitlers — the natural boyish Hitler, and the Hitler who is inspired by tremendous national force, a great Hitler. It is the second Hitler who has stirred Germany to an awakening.” In a following article by Jones, he states regarding Goebbels that “He has a remarkably appealing personality, with a sense of humour and a keen brain. One feels at home with him immediately, for he is amusing and likeable.”
After leaving nazi Germany, he arrived in the Soviet Union. After arriving, Gareth Jones reported that “millions are dying of hunger”. In the article he gives multiple anecdotes of unidentified and nameless persons — devoid of any information of any backgrounds, of their class interests, etc — making claims such as “we are waiting for death”, while presenting the entirety of not only Ukraine but the entire Soviet Union, as a monolith.
There is absolutely ZERO evidence that Jones was murdered on the orders of Stalin or any other Soviet. You are telling lies. Not even the staunchly anti-Russia Wikipedia goes to the lengths you are going.
mr jones is the oppressive farmer who neglects and exploits the animals. his incompetence and cruelty trigger the rebellion that leads to the creation of “animal farm.”
Tablet? Are you serious? Under a Substack article about Zionist genocide?
As noted, the name "Holodomor" wasn't even coined until the early 1980s and only at the behest of a joint CIA-Ukraine expat effort to demonize the USSR.
In fact, the famine that spawned the myth, wasn't confined to Ukraine and affected swaths of the USSR including Kazakhstan. Why aren't the Kazakhs fabricating myths that they were uniquely targeted? That's not a rhetorical question. You need to zoom out and see the real historical picture.
The Ukrainian nationalist film “Bitter Harvest” propagates lies invented by Ukrainian nationalists. In his review Louis Proyect propagates these lies.
Proyect cites Jeff Coplon’s 1988 Village Voice article “In Search of a Soviet Holocaust: A 55-Year-Old Famine Feeds the Right.” In it Coplon shows that the leading “mainstream” anticommunist Western experts on Soviet history rejected any notion of a deliberate famine aimed at Ukrainians. They still reject it. Proyect fails to mention this fact.
There was a very serious famine in the USSR, including (but not limited to) the Ukrainian SSR, in 1932-33. But there has never been any evidence of a “Holodomor” or “deliberate famine,” and there is none today.
The “Holodomor” fiction was invented in by Ukrainian Nazi collaborators who found havens in Western Europe, Canada, and the USA after the war. An early account is Yurij Chumatskij, Why Is One Holocaust Worth More Than Others? published in Australia in 1986 by “Veterans of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army” this work is an extended attack on “Jews” for being too pro-communist.
Holodomor
The Holomodor was not intentional but incompetence and a disregard for those who suffered. The genocidal holocaust in Gaza in particular and all of Occupied Palestine is completely intentional and planned.
*Disregard is being harsh, but even if that's true, it was widespread disregard not targeted at Ukraine either before or after. To say as much like Pippi does is rank disingenuous intellectual fraud.
Yes, the Holomodor was more complex and not official policy for exterminating Ukrainians in the way that Israel has always had a policy of exterminating non-Jews, particularly the Palestinians.
The Holomodor was more like famines which happened in Ireland and India during British rule. Incompetence, indifference, ignorance rather than active policies to kill a group.
Exactly right, with one caveat. The "Irish Potato Famine" WAS an engineered attempt at genocide, or at the very least an intentional "let's let it happen so we can suppress the Irish and profit" situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nL_RsAjxhg
Absolutely correct, Tom.
There were ships laden with food for the Irish people on the coast which the Bastard Brits refused to allow in.
Much of the financing for the goods
Intended for the Irish came from Native American tribes.
I am not sure the Malthusian connection holds up. The famine happened because the Irish were dependent on one crop, potatoes. And yes, there were reasons for that but little evidence it was a plan.
And yes the British considered the Irish to be primitive, no doubt as the Irish considered the Scots to be primitive when they colonised their land.
There have been major famines in Malawi, where I lived for more than five years for the same reason - reliance on one crop, maize, which, when it failed meant the people starved.
The situation in Malawi arise from ignorance, arrogance, greed on the part of Government and chiefs and no doubt the same in Ireland. Was it an active plan on the part of those in control to starve the Malawians to death? No. And neither was it a plan to starve the Irish. The Malawi famines were caused by Malawians and not an occupier.
Same with the Bengal famine blamed by some on the British as an intentional extermination plan. Which if studied in the times and the history again makes no sense. Having lived in India for nearly five years I have read a lot of its history in situ.
Any study of history shows that most disasters are the result of arrogance, ignorance, stupidity, greed and self-serving actions rather than an actual plan or conspiracy.
The Irish famine was a tragedy for many and a new life in the Americas, Australia and New Zealand for many more. And Ireland today is doing well. It is probably time for them to put down their mantle of victimhood for such robes are always destructive as we see in Israel.
I dunno. But check out the Gravel Institute YouTube vid I posted. Makes a compelling case in ~12min. Apparently plenty of food was being IMPORTED into Ireland, but used mainly or solely to feed cattle that were slaughtered to be exported back to England. It was not just a "potato" thing.
Jones himself admitted it was not intentional genocide [like what the Zionists are doing to the Palestinians].
On the 13th of April of 1933, Gareth Jones expands in this article his claim regarding the cause of the situation. He states “the main reason for the catastrophe in Russian agriculture is the Soviet policy of collectivisation.”
Today, by the “holodomor-genocide” campaigners, collectivization is pushed as being the sole cause of the situation. Despite this, Gareth Jones of all people, even admitted the following factors played a role: natural droughts in some areas, landowning kulaks who he says their “incentive to work disappeared”, “massacre of cattle by peasants not wishing to sacrifice their property for nothing to the collective farm”, and that “prices have dropped most in precisely those products, wheat, timber, oil, butter, & co., which the Soviet Union exports, and least in those products, such as machinery, which the Soviet Union imports”.
In the previously attached article from April 13th of 1933, Jones also predicted that the next harvest will likely be worse and stated, “The outlook for the next harvest is, therefore, black. It is dangerous to make any prophecy, for the miracle of perfect climatic conditions can always make good a part of the unfavourable factors.”
Jones placed the blame mainly on the Soviet policies of collectivization, but still admitted — unlike the “holodomor-genocide” campaigners of today — the previously stated factors. Today if you mention these factors, you are demonized by certain people as being just as bad as the people who deny the holocaust, that you are a genocide denier equal to a holocaust denier.
Holodomor = Focus-grouped fiction come up with by some nazoid expat Ukrainians in Canada in the 70s and 80s.
https://discomfiting.medium.com/holodomor-fact-or-fiction-17324ffe1d46
Murdered in Mongolia in 1935 on the orders of Stalin, the Welsh investigative journalist Gareth Jones is a national hero in Ukraine for reporting the truth about the Holodomor (the Soviet Union’s politically-driven famine that killed millions) and is widely believed to be the inspiration for the character Mr Jones in George Orwell’s Animal Farm. A graduate of Aberystwyth, Strasbourg and Cambridge universities, Jones—who spoke five languages—was talented, well-connected, and determined to discover the truth behind the momentous political events of the post-war period. He travelled widely to report on Mussolini’s Italy, the fledgling Irish Free State, and the Depression-ravaged United States, and was the first foreign journalist to travel with Hitler and Goebbels after the Nazis had taken power in Germany. Jones’ quest for truth also drew him to the Soviet Union in 1934 where his reporting of the Holodomor incurred the wrath of Stalin. The following year, on the eve of his 30th birthday, Jones was shot dead by Chinese communist bandits with links to the NKVD, the Soviet Union’s secret police, and is buried in his hometown of Barry in Wales. Now the subject of Mr Jones, a feature film that depicts his battle against the Kremlin’s ‘fake news’ agenda of famine denial, The Man Who Knew Too Much is the first biography of Gareth Jones and reveals the remarkable yet tragically short life of this fascinating and determined Welshman who pioneered the role of investigative journalism.
https://mltheory.wordpress.com/2014/06/07/facts-about-the-holodomor-and-why-its-fake/
The Photographs
There are many pictures purporting to depict the famine still circulating these days. These were in fact published by the German and American pro-Nazi Press (such as Hearst Press). These pictures however, are mainly used for shock value since the existence of starvation says nothing about its causes or its severity. They are used in order to depict the monstrosity of the famine, to win sympathy to the Holodomor theory. Naturally, the famine was a humanitarian disaster but that doesn’t make the Holodomor theory any more true.
I am not exaggerating when I say these pictures were published by the Nazis or their supporters such as the American Hearst Press. On top of that most of them are not actually taken where they claim to be. Many of the photographs are actually from World War One, the American civil war, the great depression, or the Russian civil war. Since those days this array of fraudulent “Holodomor photos” has been supplemented with pictures from the siege of Leningrad, battle of Kharkov etc. Probably the best individual study of the use of fake Holodomor photos by the far-right is D. Tottle’s Fraud, Famine and Fascism.
Despite these pictures and other material published by the nazis and their American supporters, there is no evidence–not even bad evidence–to suggest the famine was deliberate or man-made.
Gareth Jones was a Hitler associate and the story of the 'Holodomor' was fabricated by the likes of Nazis, Bandera and his OUN acolytes. All as part of the campaign to demonize the Soviet Union and launder the image of the "former" Nazis welcomed into the West after WWII, often with both of those goals being part of the same operation.
Its origins are widely credited to a Welsh man named Gareth Jones. Who was he? Jones before arriving in the Soviet Union in March of 1933, he was in nazi Germany. In an article entitled, “WITH HITLER ACROSS GERMANY” which was published on February 23rd of 1933, he outlines his experience flying on Hitler’s private plane along with other high ranking nazi officials such as Goebbels. In the piece he says of the nazi leaders, “There is nothing hard and Prussian about my fellow-passengers. They could not be more friendly and polite, even if I were a red-hot nazi myself.” Continuing, after fawning over the nazis, he says regarding Hitler: “There are two Hitlers — the natural boyish Hitler, and the Hitler who is inspired by tremendous national force, a great Hitler. It is the second Hitler who has stirred Germany to an awakening.” In a following article by Jones, he states regarding Goebbels that “He has a remarkably appealing personality, with a sense of humour and a keen brain. One feels at home with him immediately, for he is amusing and likeable.”
After leaving nazi Germany, he arrived in the Soviet Union. After arriving, Gareth Jones reported that “millions are dying of hunger”. In the article he gives multiple anecdotes of unidentified and nameless persons — devoid of any information of any backgrounds, of their class interests, etc — making claims such as “we are waiting for death”, while presenting the entirety of not only Ukraine but the entire Soviet Union, as a monolith.
https://sputnikglobe.com/20151019/holodomor-hoax-invented-hitler-west-1028730561.html
You're spreading fascist/Nazi lies.
There is absolutely ZERO evidence that Jones was murdered on the orders of Stalin or any other Soviet. You are telling lies. Not even the staunchly anti-Russia Wikipedia goes to the lengths you are going.
https://web.archive.org/web/20050411204357/http://www.rationalrevolution.net/special/library/famine.htm
Douglas Tottle traveled to Ukraine and Russia to investigate the claims and wrote an entire well-documented book about it.
mr jones is the oppressive farmer who neglects and exploits the animals. his incompetence and cruelty trigger the rebellion that leads to the creation of “animal farm.”
Thanks.
How ‘The New York Times’ Helped Hide Stalin’s Mass Murders in Ukraine
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/walter-duranty-ukraine-new-york-times-mr-jones-agnieszka-holland
Tablet? Are you serious? Under a Substack article about Zionist genocide?
As noted, the name "Holodomor" wasn't even coined until the early 1980s and only at the behest of a joint CIA-Ukraine expat effort to demonize the USSR.
In fact, the famine that spawned the myth, wasn't confined to Ukraine and affected swaths of the USSR including Kazakhstan. Why aren't the Kazakhs fabricating myths that they were uniquely targeted? That's not a rhetorical question. You need to zoom out and see the real historical picture.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/03/03/the-holodomor-and-the-film-bitter-harvest-are-fascist-lies/
The Ukrainian nationalist film “Bitter Harvest” propagates lies invented by Ukrainian nationalists. In his review Louis Proyect propagates these lies.
Proyect cites Jeff Coplon’s 1988 Village Voice article “In Search of a Soviet Holocaust: A 55-Year-Old Famine Feeds the Right.” In it Coplon shows that the leading “mainstream” anticommunist Western experts on Soviet history rejected any notion of a deliberate famine aimed at Ukrainians. They still reject it. Proyect fails to mention this fact.
There was a very serious famine in the USSR, including (but not limited to) the Ukrainian SSR, in 1932-33. But there has never been any evidence of a “Holodomor” or “deliberate famine,” and there is none today.
The “Holodomor” fiction was invented in by Ukrainian Nazi collaborators who found havens in Western Europe, Canada, and the USA after the war. An early account is Yurij Chumatskij, Why Is One Holocaust Worth More Than Others? published in Australia in 1986 by “Veterans of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army” this work is an extended attack on “Jews” for being too pro-communist.
This is a conversation about Gaza, hun. @ Pippi