What salvation? Whether I vote green or red or blue or anything else, we already know that either Trump or Harris will be the next President (barring some miracle). So what salvation?
There are benefits to voting Green this election. 1) You can look yourself in the mirror the next day and say "I did NOT vote for Harris or Trump. I did not vote to fund more genocide. I am a moral person with a conscience." 2) By helping Greens get a higher percentage of the vote in your state, you're helping Green candidates in next year's election get on the ballot as a Green in your state (since in many states the Green presidential candidate has to receive a certain percentage of the state vote for the Green Party in that state to be "recognized" and for those running for state or local offices as Greens to be called Greens and have access to party funding. Ds and Rs don't have this problem.) 3) If everyone who liked Jill Stein's platform voted for her--she'd win, hands down. In a three- or four-way race, it doesn't take that large a percentage to win. Check out her platform at jillstein2024.com/platform
TRC, I think you misunderstood my comment. This "voting" is NOT ABOUT ME, it is about the US and the WORLD. This "voting" is NOT about "my feelings" or "how I justify things" or "how I rationalize things" or "how I resolve cognitive dissonances". Obviously I'm not going to vote for ANYONE that supports genocide (which should be obvious to anyone that's read my comments in Caitlin's substack).
1) I don't care about how I feel or my mirror (on the voting issue)
2) This will hopefully happen (depending on state) as I suspect there are many non-genocidal voters this election season.
3) This "everyone" logic makes sense in "fantasyland" - but that's not how reality works (no matter how much we would like it to work that way)
Check out the polling in Michigan... Greens are on the ascendancy. Greens are throwing a monkey wrench/spanner into the machine. We're going to help shut down the whole corrupt system. The first step of a journey of a thousand miles starts with one step. Take it with us.
TRC, like I said - I'm NOT trying to rain on anyone's parade. I'm all for Jill Stein. That's not the issue under consideration. Regardless of what happens in Michigan, the fact is (barring miracles) that it will be a TRUMP or HARRIS presidency. That doesn't in any way suggest that one should not vote for Jill Stein.
Be very careful in promoting the Greens. In my country(Canada) the Greens, while still a small party have done more to damage this country than any other group. I'm afraid that because of all the left wing doggerel that has so duped the West that we are all f-----d.
If you listen to what the Greens actually want you would be very leery of them. Their policies if enacted would shut down just about all industry and totally destroy commerce. People would be out of work in no time flat.
I'm a realist (for some reason BOTH optimists and pessimists don't like realists - don't know why). I see the glass BOTH half full AND half empty (unlike optimists and pessimists that ignore half the glass based on their confirmation biases).
Patricia Blair - that's NOT how a "realist" thinks. The question of "accepting" doesn't arise for a "realist". A realist would use statistics, probability, and other methods to arrive at probability distributions on hypotheticals and confidence intervals on those analyses.
Do what you can to get the current perps out of office to disrupt the trajectory of where we know they’re dragging us. Then deal with the batch next of psychopaths.
maybe the salvation of the fighting spirit. i hope the greens will not stop opposing the genocide and empire and keep organising. if one were to join them you can already make use of the organisational structure to keep up the protests against harris or trump policies. idk, but i think it's harder to keep motivated if one voted for either wing of the duopoly (in the belief that they somehow are 'harm reduction') or didn't vote (deciding that giving the finger to a corrupt system is more important then giving the finger to the genocidals), then if you voted green.
Vote Green as the only salvation!
What salvation? Whether I vote green or red or blue or anything else, we already know that either Trump or Harris will be the next President (barring some miracle). So what salvation?
There are benefits to voting Green this election. 1) You can look yourself in the mirror the next day and say "I did NOT vote for Harris or Trump. I did not vote to fund more genocide. I am a moral person with a conscience." 2) By helping Greens get a higher percentage of the vote in your state, you're helping Green candidates in next year's election get on the ballot as a Green in your state (since in many states the Green presidential candidate has to receive a certain percentage of the state vote for the Green Party in that state to be "recognized" and for those running for state or local offices as Greens to be called Greens and have access to party funding. Ds and Rs don't have this problem.) 3) If everyone who liked Jill Stein's platform voted for her--she'd win, hands down. In a three- or four-way race, it doesn't take that large a percentage to win. Check out her platform at jillstein2024.com/platform
TRC, I think you misunderstood my comment. This "voting" is NOT ABOUT ME, it is about the US and the WORLD. This "voting" is NOT about "my feelings" or "how I justify things" or "how I rationalize things" or "how I resolve cognitive dissonances". Obviously I'm not going to vote for ANYONE that supports genocide (which should be obvious to anyone that's read my comments in Caitlin's substack).
1) I don't care about how I feel or my mirror (on the voting issue)
2) This will hopefully happen (depending on state) as I suspect there are many non-genocidal voters this election season.
3) This "everyone" logic makes sense in "fantasyland" - but that's not how reality works (no matter how much we would like it to work that way)
Check out the polling in Michigan... Greens are on the ascendancy. Greens are throwing a monkey wrench/spanner into the machine. We're going to help shut down the whole corrupt system. The first step of a journey of a thousand miles starts with one step. Take it with us.
TRC, like I said - I'm NOT trying to rain on anyone's parade. I'm all for Jill Stein. That's not the issue under consideration. Regardless of what happens in Michigan, the fact is (barring miracles) that it will be a TRUMP or HARRIS presidency. That doesn't in any way suggest that one should not vote for Jill Stein.
Be very careful in promoting the Greens. In my country(Canada) the Greens, while still a small party have done more to damage this country than any other group. I'm afraid that because of all the left wing doggerel that has so duped the West that we are all f-----d.
Just curious, what damage have the Greens done here in Canada? To me they appear entirely ineffectual.
If you listen to what the Greens actually want you would be very leery of them. Their policies if enacted would shut down just about all industry and totally destroy commerce. People would be out of work in no time flat.
I never say never! Ignore the polls! Talk Green to everyone!
I'm a realist (for some reason BOTH optimists and pessimists don't like realists - don't know why). I see the glass BOTH half full AND half empty (unlike optimists and pessimists that ignore half the glass based on their confirmation biases).
I’m a realist too that’s why I don’t accept that we can’t make a difference for good.
Patricia Blair - that's NOT how a "realist" thinks. The question of "accepting" doesn't arise for a "realist". A realist would use statistics, probability, and other methods to arrive at probability distributions on hypotheticals and confidence intervals on those analyses.
Chang you say you are a "realist" - so be it. You are definitely not a "dreamer".
We need both kinds for a Revolution.
Not this one. I use my RN sensitive insight.
Do what you can to get the current perps out of office to disrupt the trajectory of where we know they’re dragging us. Then deal with the batch next of psychopaths.
maybe the salvation of the fighting spirit. i hope the greens will not stop opposing the genocide and empire and keep organising. if one were to join them you can already make use of the organisational structure to keep up the protests against harris or trump policies. idk, but i think it's harder to keep motivated if one voted for either wing of the duopoly (in the belief that they somehow are 'harm reduction') or didn't vote (deciding that giving the finger to a corrupt system is more important then giving the finger to the genocidals), then if you voted green.