Revolution, it's very misleading to use the term, the "Israel Lobby." The more accurate and justifiable term is the "Jewish Lobby?" because the Jewish Lobby includes the Israel Lobby and is made up of the US Jewish leaders of nearly 400 US Jewish political organizations that are funded by the US Jewish community and probably also Israel to the level of billions of dollars.
The concerns of the Jewish lobby go far beyond Israel and include the legal definition and governmental/societal response to antisemitism, which incorporates the International Holocaust Alliance definition of “antisemitism” into both state and Federal law, and also incorporates legal restrictions on methods to supposedly counter antisemitism; the establishment of Federal governmental offices that are dedicated to the study of antisemitism in American society; the political and/or dominant roles played by Jews in government and society; the control of the public debate on such concerns via the formulation of a Jewish public narrative; the control of what is politically correct in such a debate; the passage of laws deemed necessary to protect Jews as a group separate from all other U.S. groups; the many funding methods used to transfer U.S. citizen monies tax free to Israel and its Jewish citizens, and many others.
The Christian Zionist movement is a minuscule part of the Israel Lobby as measured by the funding levels, the number of people involved, and effectiveness. Nobody is going to compete with Jews when it comes to ensuring that the USA government and society both unconditionally support the Jewish state. In fact, even key officials of Hagee's organization, Christians United for Israel, are Jews.
The normal way to label a lobby is to use the identity of the people who make up the lobby, not by the concerns of the lobby. For instance, there's an Arab Lobby, an Armenian Lobby, a Chinese Lobby, and African American Lobby, etc. So why would you label this lobby according to only one of its political interests?
I'm not just talking theory. The following link gives a list of some 500 Jewish political organizations, nearly 400 of which are in the USA. It also gives information on funding levels, comparing Jewish money to money from the Christian Right.
The label "Israel Lobby" is in fact a clever obfuscation perpetrated by the Jewish Lobby to keep the noun "Jew" out of political statements that indicate the reasons behind the fact that the USA is complicit with the war crimes of Israel.
"The Jewish Council of Australia is a movement of over 1000 Jews nationwide. We’re ramping up pressure on (Prime Minster's name) to act – and working side by side with our Palestinian allies to demand that our government pressure Israel to stop killing Palestinians. We are a bold and growing Jewish movement that won’t stay silent in the face of genocide. This government will hear us – and we won’t let them look away."
Republished from The Jewish Council of Australia, 7 May 2025.
Good for you. When your group succeeds in changing the behavior of Israel, and that of the Jewish political leaders both inside and outside Israel, I'll be impressed.
Until then, we must understand that the fact that some people in a group oppose the behavior of the group does not exonerate the group. Consider this example. There are protests by Americans on college campuses against the US complicity with Israel on its genocide. Does the fact of those protests mean that the US is no longer complicit?
But with all the faked antisemitism nonsense that has been part of the lives of this population for years and the overreactions by governments in favour of Israel, any movement showing resistance to such things with a preparedness to go public in this way is surely a positive.
As for those College campus protests, no one deserves more respect in my view than anyone who bucks the system like all of those people have done....against the odds and now being harrassed by the likes of ICE, the Stormtroopers of the current US regime.
Every bit counts. There are a lot of people to convince... perhaps over 300 million alone in the US and a lot of apathy as well. Yes. Time is against them.
Who we should be identifying publicly are the citizens who voluntarily joined the IDF.
Heartless murderers, one and all. Imagine one of them as your next door neighbour posing as a loyal citizen. Worthy of a serious investigation.
Revolution, it's very misleading to use the term, the "Israel Lobby." The more accurate and justifiable term is the "Jewish Lobby?" because the Jewish Lobby includes the Israel Lobby and is made up of the US Jewish leaders of nearly 400 US Jewish political organizations that are funded by the US Jewish community and probably also Israel to the level of billions of dollars.
The concerns of the Jewish lobby go far beyond Israel and include the legal definition and governmental/societal response to antisemitism, which incorporates the International Holocaust Alliance definition of “antisemitism” into both state and Federal law, and also incorporates legal restrictions on methods to supposedly counter antisemitism; the establishment of Federal governmental offices that are dedicated to the study of antisemitism in American society; the political and/or dominant roles played by Jews in government and society; the control of the public debate on such concerns via the formulation of a Jewish public narrative; the control of what is politically correct in such a debate; the passage of laws deemed necessary to protect Jews as a group separate from all other U.S. groups; the many funding methods used to transfer U.S. citizen monies tax free to Israel and its Jewish citizens, and many others.
The Christian Zionist movement is a minuscule part of the Israel Lobby as measured by the funding levels, the number of people involved, and effectiveness. Nobody is going to compete with Jews when it comes to ensuring that the USA government and society both unconditionally support the Jewish state. In fact, even key officials of Hagee's organization, Christians United for Israel, are Jews.
The normal way to label a lobby is to use the identity of the people who make up the lobby, not by the concerns of the lobby. For instance, there's an Arab Lobby, an Armenian Lobby, a Chinese Lobby, and African American Lobby, etc. So why would you label this lobby according to only one of its political interests?
I'm not just talking theory. The following link gives a list of some 500 Jewish political organizations, nearly 400 of which are in the USA. It also gives information on funding levels, comparing Jewish money to money from the Christian Right.
The label "Israel Lobby" is in fact a clever obfuscation perpetrated by the Jewish Lobby to keep the noun "Jew" out of political statements that indicate the reasons behind the fact that the USA is complicit with the war crimes of Israel.
The Jewish Lobby:
https://iwasathought.substack.com/p/the-jewish-lobby
There are plenty of anti-Zionist Jews who are against the genocide of Gazans. Don't tar them.
Here is one, Andrea
"The Jewish Council of Australia is a movement of over 1000 Jews nationwide. We’re ramping up pressure on (Prime Minster's name) to act – and working side by side with our Palestinian allies to demand that our government pressure Israel to stop killing Palestinians. We are a bold and growing Jewish movement that won’t stay silent in the face of genocide. This government will hear us – and we won’t let them look away."
Republished from The Jewish Council of Australia, 7 May 2025.
Good for you. When your group succeeds in changing the behavior of Israel, and that of the Jewish political leaders both inside and outside Israel, I'll be impressed.
Until then, we must understand that the fact that some people in a group oppose the behavior of the group does not exonerate the group. Consider this example. There are protests by Americans on college campuses against the US complicity with Israel on its genocide. Does the fact of those protests mean that the US is no longer complicit?
Such an argument is thus nonsensical.
Yes, Jim. I do understand what you are saying.
But with all the faked antisemitism nonsense that has been part of the lives of this population for years and the overreactions by governments in favour of Israel, any movement showing resistance to such things with a preparedness to go public in this way is surely a positive.
As for those College campus protests, no one deserves more respect in my view than anyone who bucks the system like all of those people have done....against the odds and now being harrassed by the likes of ICE, the Stormtroopers of the current US regime.
Every bit counts. There are a lot of people to convince... perhaps over 300 million alone in the US and a lot of apathy as well. Yes. Time is against them.
Who we should be identifying publicly are the citizens who voluntarily joined the IDF.
Heartless murderers, one and all. Imagine one of them as your next door neighbour posing as a loyal citizen. Worthy of a serious investigation.
You said, "Don't tar them."
Why do you make such an absurd statement? Does the fact that I criticize the US complicity with Israel mean I tar the college protestors?
Maybe a cold shower will do you some good and help you become rational.