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Mamaluigi7's avatar

Okay you and Rob Brown sound like Libertarian a-holes, I give you this quote:

“Libertarians claim to be a radical philosophers but are really as bourgeoisie as they can get. Ultimately, all libertarians are really interested in is defending their petty, white, middle class interests.

Most Libertarians begin life as a spoiled upper-middle class and very white teen who fails to comprehend that not everyone else in the world is a spoiled upper-middle class white teen.

At first, the young libertardian-to-be has only a vague dissatisfaction. He begins to ask himself questions like:

"What political philosophy can I both bastardize and miss the point of, so that I can justify being an even more selfish prick than I am now?"

"How can I reconcile that I hate those who I deem aren't productive, with the fact that I don't need a job because daddy gives me a generous allowance?"

"Why do we even need government? Surely almost seven billion people can all police themselves, right?"

The answer comes to them in two little words. Ayn Rand. With sixth-grade level vocabulary, and fourth-grade level philosophy, Rand's book have all the emotional depth of a two-year old's temper tantrum. "MINE!!!" Rand is their holy prophet. She speaks the words so perfectly, the words they want to hear.

"You don't lack compassion! You just want people to get by on their own merits!", She says. "You're not a selfish asshole! You just have a sense of rational self-interest!", She affirms. "You have no obligation to the society in which you live! Governments are only there to lift up those not as good as you!", She declares.

And lo, it was good. Because if there is one thing that makes financially comfortable white people feel good about themselves, it is that they earned the benefits of being financially comfortable, clearly by their own merits.

It wasn't daddy's money that bought you your head start in life. It wasn't the better schools, the better nutrition, the better neighborhoods. It wasn't the country you were born in, or the system of laws that protected and to this day protects you. It wasn't the various government agencies making sure you have licensed doctors, clean drinking water, or safety standards for vehicles.

No, my young privileged white boy, you did it all. You, and only you, are responsible for all your success. And anyone who isn't as well off just didn't work as hard. And the government can only take from a productive member of society like you to give to the leeches. And there should be no laws. And even though there are laws, they don't really apply to you, because you're special. Be as selfish as you want. It's all you.

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anti-republocrat's avatar

Don't ASSume you know my thoughts. You don't. You're a marionette in chains. Trudeau, a representative of the corporate elitist Klaus Schwab yanks your strings and you are too blind to see it. Strange that you should show up on Caitlin's substack, because you are obviously too stupid to learn anything from her. She's telling you about the strings and the narratives (like WSWS's nonsense that the truckers are right wingers and not workers). Tell me, why does WSWS say Omicron is worse than any previous wave? Vaccine acceptance in Canada is very high. I would have thought Covid would be stamped out in Canada by now. Why are infection and death rates in Africa so low?

Yes, I support the Bill of Right and the Charter of Canadian Rights and Freedoms, as well as a US Constitutional Amendment to deny those natural rights to corporations, which currently control both governments, the very definition of fascism. You are a totalitarian lunatic, as are all communists and fascists.

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Rob Brown's avatar

WSWS actually says Omicron was worse than Delta or the original?

In addition to perpetuating the myth that everybody who has reservations about the vaccine is "right-wing"?

I'm glad I never bothered reading it like I used to read The Intercept.

Finally, one doesn't have to be "libertarian" to support a protest. Protests are, by design, meant to inconvenience people. If you had a protest which everybody could easily ignore, everybody would ignore it and nothing would change. Maybe you think this isn't something that was worth protesting, "Mamaluigi7", but you'd be singing a different tune if you'd been injured by the vaccine as many people have by now. And FFS, last year the Ontario government actually came out and said that Moderna was too risky for people aged 18-24...after they'd already injected tons of 18-24 year-olds with it. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/ontario-recommends-people-aged-18-to-24-take-pfizer-over-moderna-1.5605442

P.S. "Privileged" huh? You know what real privilege is? Real privilege is saying to yourself on election day "Sure, I'll vote for the Liberals (if in Canada) or for the Democrats (if in the US) because my life has always been perfectly fine and none of their decisions have fucked up my life at all." THAT is your privilege, bitch. You never got locked up because of the Crime Bill, you never lost your business or your job because of lockdowns or because of trade deals, you never had your bank account frozen, you never had the government build a pipeline on your land, and you sure as hell don't seem to care about the fact that both Trudeau and Biden are killing Yemenis and Palestinians by proxy with their support of Saudi Arabia and Israel.

Get yourself a conscience and maybe you'll stop voting for these fascists who harm so many, who harm as many people as Trump or Harper ever did. It doesn't matter if their policies don't negatively affect YOU. You should care about those people their policies DO negatively affect. Or are you going to call the First Nations people in Canada and Native Americans in the States "privileged"? Are you going to call the large percentage of African-Americans who quite understandably don't trust the government "privileged"?

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Mamaluigi7's avatar

List of Things Libertarians Hate

Calendars, clocks

Standard weights and measures

Sick days

Maternity/Paternity leave (What do you mean, America is the only developed country in the world not to have paid maternity leave? They're all commies!)

Overtime pay

Minimum wage

Electricity

Clean water

Clean air

State and national parks, playgrounds, Fish and Game Wildlife Services (We should be able to kill all the cute critters in the forest if we want to! ESPECIALLY the endangered ones!)

Roads and infrastructure

Postal service

Safe workplaces, OSHA

Health inspectors, all federal workers (see "postal service")

Welfare, unemployment benefits

Public schools

Seat belts and airbags

Cops (protection rackets and the mafia are far more libertarian)

Fire stations (ESPECIALLY volunteer firefighters)

Taxes (even if they don't pay 'em because they have no job and live in their parents' basement)

Unions

Public transport

Food free of salmonella

Nutrition facts

Vaccines

Safe medicine

Poor people

black people

women

SOCHULIZM!!!!!!!

Charities, any altruistic behavior.

Unemployment benefits

Gaining more than 3% of the vote

History

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Mamaluigi7's avatar

“This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy.

I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. Then, I brushed my teeth with that water, filtered to standards set by the EPA and my state.

After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank and printed by the Federal Bureau of Engraving and Printing. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school.

I park my car on the street, paved and maintained by the Department of Transportation, and put quarters issued by the United States Mint into the parking meter.

Then, after spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, I drive back to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and the fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.

I then log onto the Internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on freerepublic and fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right. Keep government out of my Medicare!”

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Mamaluigi7's avatar

You can criticize Trudeau without being an anti-vaxxer or Covid denier nutjob.

Also the starving African children would like to speak with you.

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Rob Brown's avatar

You don't read Caitlin at all, do you?

By the standards you're applying to me and to others, you would consider her an "anti-vaxxer". Just look at "Ten Thoughts On Abortion"; she brings it up and says that she thinks people ought to be allowed to choose both whether to get vaccinated and also whether to get an abortion.

Which raises the question of what you are doing reading articles written by an "anti-vaxxer".

And while I'm probably wasting my online breath saying this: there's a HUGE fucking difference between saying "Mandates are wrong" and saying "Nobody should take the vaccine at all because it is literal poison", I'm saying it anyway.

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Mamaluigi7's avatar

Tell that to the tons of people who have already died from Covid.

That’s called hyper-individualism.

Also: https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/1297189068103487490?s=21&t=8vl7MEnr0ReA5k470b-emw

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Rob Brown's avatar

That tweet has nothing to do with Covid.

You've created a strawman by saying "Rob and this other guy are libertarians" and now you're like "Oh, look at what Caitlin tweeted, Mr. Libertarian! She doesn't like libertarians like you! What do you think of that, you libertarian???"

I can't speak for anti-republocrat and confess I haven't read his comments closely, but I'm not a libertarian. I think that libertarians have more in common with leftists than standard conservatives do, since libertarians at least seem to take a "hands off" approach to foreign policy. I agree with that much, but I don't agree with the idea of "The government shouldn't regulate corporations." Somebody damn well should regulate corporations, because they've demonstrated time and again that they can't be trusted.

Meanwhile, HERE is what she has to say about vaccine mandates, since evidently you can't be bothered to read the article I mentioned for yourself:

"...While we're on the subject of bodily sovereignty, I've seen a lot of people arguing that the whole 'My body, my choice' position was invalidated by the way people were forced to take Covid vaccines in order to participate in society.

"This is an entirely logical argument, in my opinion. It's not logically consistent to say that bodily autonomy needs to take a back seat in one area and then claim it's of utmost importance in another. Proponents of vaccine mandates are responsible for the fact that this argument is being used, and that it is being used effectively.

"It's very disconcerting that the law has come down on the side of subverting bodily autonomy in both of these major debates recently. As humanity gets more and more complicated, we may see the dominance of the notion that our bodies are not our own yield greater and greater consequences going forward..."

You think that Caitlin is dead wrong about that, apparently. Go ahead, tell her that she's an anti-vaxxer and that her home country totally had the right idea with its quarantine camps.

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Mamaluigi7's avatar

“Strange that you should show up on Caitlin's substack, because you are obviously too stupid to learn anything from her.”

I do, she is just not a libertarian like you think she is, she also supports Socialism and Communism.

https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/1297189068103487490?s=21&t=8vl7MEnr0ReA5k470b-emw

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anti-republocrat's avatar

She does, however, speak against "propaganda," "censorship" and the elite narrative. You apparently love all three since you defend Trudeau. I never claimed Caitlin is a libertarian. I don't think she understands there's such a thing as a left-libertarian, who understands there is a difference between individual human beings and corporate entities.

In one of your posts you extolled the great benefits of government-regulated monopolies. Defending private monopolies is quite reactionary. Governments should own monopolies, with any profits accruing to government to fund anticipated expansion or otherwise returned as rebates to rate payer.

Labels are a convenient way to try to pigeon-hole people. To the extent Caitlin falls for it and refuses to listen to certain points of view, I criticize her. I don't agree with her all the time, but probably much more often than you. She is not an authoritarian and believes people should think for themselves. You spout nothing but authoritarian talking points; not an original thought in your pea brain.

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Mamaluigi7's avatar

“This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy.

I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. Then, I brushed my teeth with that water, filtered to standards set by the EPA and my state.

After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank and printed by the Federal Bureau of Engraving and Printing. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school.

I park my car on the street, paved and maintained by the Department of Transportation, and put quarters issued by the United States Mint into the parking meter.

Then, after spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, I drive back to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and the fire marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.

I then log onto the Internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on freerepublic and fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right. Keep government out of my Medicare!”

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Mamaluigi7's avatar

List of Things Libertarians Hate

Calendars, clocks

Standard weights and measures

Sick days

Maternity/Paternity leave (What do you mean, America is the only developed country in the world not to have paid maternity leave? They're all commies!)

Overtime pay

Minimum wage

Electricity

Clean water

Clean air

State and national parks, playgrounds, Fish and Game Wildlife Services (We should be able to kill all the cute critters in the forest if we want to! ESPECIALLY the endangered ones!)

Roads and infrastructure

Postal service

Safe workplaces, OSHA

Health inspectors, all federal workers (see "postal service")

Welfare, unemployment benefits

Public schools

Seat belts and airbags

Cops (protection rackets and the mafia are far more libertarian)

Fire stations (ESPECIALLY volunteer firefighters)

Taxes (even if they don't pay 'em because they have no job and live in their parents' basement)

Unions

Public transport

Food free of salmonella

Nutrition facts

Vaccines

Safe medicine

Poor people

black people

women

SOCHULIZM!!!!!!!

Charities, any altruistic behavior.

Unemployment benefits

Gaining more than 3% of the vote

History

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anti-republocrat's avatar

Not going to respond to your gish gallop based on you warped belief of what right-libertarians think, much less your total ignorance of left-libertarians or constitutionalists. If you have a specific bone to pick with me, have at it.

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Mamaluigi7's avatar

Here is what Rob Brown said: “I can't speak for anti-republocrat and confess I haven't read his comments closely, but I'm not a libertarian. I think that libertarians have more in common with leftists than standard conservatives do, since libertarians at least seem to take a "hands off" approach to foreign policy. I agree with that much, but I don't agree with the idea of "The government shouldn't regulate corporations." Somebody damn well should regulate corporations, because they've demonstrated time and again that they can't be trusted.”

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Mamaluigi7's avatar

Define “authoritarian” because you seem to think it means “people telling you you cannot do whatever you want and that actions have consequences” which is the mentality of a child, which is what libertarians are.

But I guess you haven’t been paying attention to the deaths caused by Covid.

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anti-republocrat's avatar

Lest I be accused of hypocrisy for labeling you a "submissive authoritarian," the difference is that I explain WHY I believe you to be such, rather than simply applying a pejorative label.

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anti-republocrat's avatar

For "authoritarian," look it up in the dictionary. I'm not going to do your homework for you. You are, more specifically, a submissive authoritarian as described here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarian_personality, in that you do not question your chosen leader, Justin Trudeau, and believe all his lies including the lies he tells corporate media to tell and the narratives he has spun about the convoy.

As to "deaths caused by Covid," there again you believe all the lies told to you by the anointed government authorities and complicit corporate media. You refuse to listen to and consider all data and scientific opinion, and there are plenty of alternate sources if you care to look. There were from the beginning. The government data is so corrupted as to be almost useless, but CDC does admit that 94% of supposed Covid deaths have at least one co-morbidity, and that the average number of co-morbidities among that group is over 2 or 3.

Big Pharma admitted from the start that the shots would not prevent anyone from becoming infected, nor would they stop the spread, so what exactly is the point? Clearly, I am not protecting you or society by submitting to the shot myself. It is purely a PERSONAL risk calculation, and I've concluded that I'm less likely to become infected if I take prophylactic precautions, more likely to have a better outcome if I follow either the FLCCC or the AFLD protocols for early treatment when I do become infected and less likely to spread the disease if I stay the fuck at home when I have symptoms.

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