I am sorry to be "that guy" but the truth of climate change is that it is just another information-war pysop against the people. When I became a an atheist it was because I studied a variety of religions and found almost all western religions had a common feature, guilt based social manipulation causing peers to attack and shame each other in pursuit of the institutions goals.
Climate change in the form of information warfare is the same religious manipulation model, peers using guilt to shame each other because their faith in the institution is not strong enough. Climate change is a neo-religion, a sciency based belief system that uses all the old trapping to manipulate the congregation through guilting each other. This does not mean that I don't think the world is being polluted and violated at every turn but the climate change religion will not fix any of those spoilings of the natural world, it will only distract the congregation into self enforced conformity .
The faithful have spoken and are trying to coerce me into the congregation. The neo-priests have written a religious tome with evidence for the existence of god oops I mean climate change.
I do indeed prize evidence, logic, rationality and integrity very highly. I'm not sure I would say I worship them or allow myself to be led by them. I mostly follow my gut; but I do enjoy it when this is backed up by the gods of intellectual pursuits.
There are no gods of intellectual pursuits, there are humans that are well educated, they are not morally or ethically superior just intellectually. The Catholic church's pedophilia problem should be a huge glaring example of why we should not look to humans to have the best interest of humanity in their hearts regardless of the number of degrees they have.
Wrong. Climate change is real and tangibly affecting everyone. 200 million people per day, and more than 90% of global population per year physically affected by effects of climate change in the past year:
And the capitalist psycho cult treats it like it treats everything else: a moneymaking opportunity for a couple hundred people, at the cost of the other several billion people on the planet.
How utterly condescending of you, the IPCC report is a political document not a scientific one. The past versions I read were full of half truths and disinformation. Name a single measurable prediction from a any IPCC report that came true because of CO2?
Positions are not "religion", and shame and guilt are not the worst features/outcomes of life on Earth. We in general have caused global warming: it isn't "natural but the result of our greed, carelessness and lack of responsibility. Who/what is responsible for war? Is it just a natural phenomenon and uncontrollable? Your argument is not cogent. There are real agents of wrong-doing, and they need to be identified and condemned.
I don't understand your point: science is not counter to politics, by any means. Science, the real thing, can be a productive, positive component of politics. But if you mean that human concerns are subjugated to science, and that is wrong - I'm with you there.
It's not *just* another information operation. Like most information operations, the goal is to control *both sides* of an existing conversation and construct passionate "defensive" movements that will never resolve. Thus, people who don't participate in the narrative can work on the basis of material reality and exploit either one to improve their material position.
Climate change is a drama so that pollution can be normalized.
notBob, I'm really curious about where you're getting the information you're sharing. I've been paying attention to environmental issues and climate change for decades, and that includes the disinformation campaigns that are so often started by the fossil fuel industry so that their profits aren't affected. Are you familiar with the Sue Big Oil campaign? It's based on the fact that they knew their products cause climate change, lied about it and will be taken to court for all the damages this has caused. How's the weather where you are? Where I live we have go bags prepared because of the massive forest fires that could have taken down any of our towns this summer. I'm not religious, but I really want to see all of us have a liveable future, and to me that means transitioning away from fossil fuels among other things.
Start with Dr. Singer, he wrote a clear, hard science based take down of the lies years ago, it has recently been updated. Your comment shows a mental programming, you automatically assume that wild fires are climate change related, that is specious on its face.
The IPCC report is a joke, it is nothing but politicized science, you cannot run an actual study on the climate to prove the theories in any meaningful way. Start your study with the Falsification Principle. There is no way to prove climate change theories wrong, its non falsifiable and therefor its not science, its religion.
I am sorry to be "that guy" but the truth of climate change is that it is just another information-war pysop against the people. When I became a an atheist it was because I studied a variety of religions and found almost all western religions had a common feature, guilt based social manipulation causing peers to attack and shame each other in pursuit of the institutions goals.
Climate change in the form of information warfare is the same religious manipulation model, peers using guilt to shame each other because their faith in the institution is not strong enough. Climate change is a neo-religion, a sciency based belief system that uses all the old trapping to manipulate the congregation through guilting each other. This does not mean that I don't think the world is being polluted and violated at every turn but the climate change religion will not fix any of those spoilings of the natural world, it will only distract the congregation into self enforced conformity .
There is truth in what you say about climate change being used to distract from destruction and to greenwash industry, notBob, but it is real and scientific https://georgiedonny.substack.com/p/climate-change-hasnt-been-debunked
The faithful have spoken and are trying to coerce me into the congregation. The neo-priests have written a religious tome with evidence for the existence of god oops I mean climate change.
It’s SCIENCE not religion:
https://www.ipcc.ch/
Save your self lies for another place. Not here.
I do indeed prize evidence, logic, rationality and integrity very highly. I'm not sure I would say I worship them or allow myself to be led by them. I mostly follow my gut; but I do enjoy it when this is backed up by the gods of intellectual pursuits.
There are no gods of intellectual pursuits, there are humans that are well educated, they are not morally or ethically superior just intellectually. The Catholic church's pedophilia problem should be a huge glaring example of why we should not look to humans to have the best interest of humanity in their hearts regardless of the number of degrees they have.
Do not trust the neo-priests
Wrong. Climate change is real and tangibly affecting everyone. 200 million people per day, and more than 90% of global population per year physically affected by effects of climate change in the past year:
https://www.climatecentral.org/climate-matters/introducing-the-global-climate-shift-index#
And the capitalist psycho cult treats it like it treats everything else: a moneymaking opportunity for a couple hundred people, at the cost of the other several billion people on the planet.
Agree. But wonder how the change multi-lateralism and de-dollarization affect this dynamic if at all?
That sounds like the claims of a faithful member of the flock.
Sounds like you would rather tell yourself lies, than take the time to read the summaries of the IPCC studies.
They are not secret.
And the summaries are published at a level readable by an adult with a standard education and an adult attention span:.
https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/
Reading the reports takes more time than tossing random lies in comments fields though….
How utterly condescending of you, the IPCC report is a political document not a scientific one. The past versions I read were full of half truths and disinformation. Name a single measurable prediction from a any IPCC report that came true because of CO2?
Positions are not "religion", and shame and guilt are not the worst features/outcomes of life on Earth. We in general have caused global warming: it isn't "natural but the result of our greed, carelessness and lack of responsibility. Who/what is responsible for war? Is it just a natural phenomenon and uncontrollable? Your argument is not cogent. There are real agents of wrong-doing, and they need to be identified and condemned.
My argument is that you intermix science with your political beliefs which makes it religion not science.
I don't understand your point: science is not counter to politics, by any means. Science, the real thing, can be a productive, positive component of politics. But if you mean that human concerns are subjugated to science, and that is wrong - I'm with you there.
Yes, humans have many significant impacts on the planets, and these cannot simply be solar panelled or windmilled away.
[Minor edit made within a minute of original posting.]
It's not *just* another information operation. Like most information operations, the goal is to control *both sides* of an existing conversation and construct passionate "defensive" movements that will never resolve. Thus, people who don't participate in the narrative can work on the basis of material reality and exploit either one to improve their material position.
Climate change is a drama so that pollution can be normalized.
Sounds like you’ve reasoned yourself into a corner...
notBob, I'm really curious about where you're getting the information you're sharing. I've been paying attention to environmental issues and climate change for decades, and that includes the disinformation campaigns that are so often started by the fossil fuel industry so that their profits aren't affected. Are you familiar with the Sue Big Oil campaign? It's based on the fact that they knew their products cause climate change, lied about it and will be taken to court for all the damages this has caused. How's the weather where you are? Where I live we have go bags prepared because of the massive forest fires that could have taken down any of our towns this summer. I'm not religious, but I really want to see all of us have a liveable future, and to me that means transitioning away from fossil fuels among other things.
Start with Dr. Singer, he wrote a clear, hard science based take down of the lies years ago, it has recently been updated. Your comment shows a mental programming, you automatically assume that wild fires are climate change related, that is specious on its face.
https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/hot-talk-cold-science-global-warmings-unfinished-debate_s-fred-singer_frederick-seitz/628199/#edition=58490368&idiq=44712641
The IPCC report is a joke, it is nothing but politicized science, you cannot run an actual study on the climate to prove the theories in any meaningful way. Start your study with the Falsification Principle. There is no way to prove climate change theories wrong, its non falsifiable and therefor its not science, its religion.
The science is there: https://www.ipcc.ch/sr15/
Only cultists look at science and start lying to themselves about it being “politicised”. Pull yourself together man.