I like and agree with most of what you wrote. But what is your definitionof Zionism? I believe it to be simply a desire to have a Jewish state? Am I wrong. Is it wrong to desire that in a world so rife with anti-semitism? And Jews have only been considered white since after WW2 because living in racist Amerika there were serious quotas on third world immigrants. Until then Jewish people were classified as "Orientals" (a racist term in itself). Jewish people, like Blacks, were forced out of their own country, the Blacks mainly kidnapped as slaves in the westm many women raped by white "masters" causing an intermixing of black and white and Judeans exiled by their occupier, Rome. Those exiled to Europe intermixed with Europeans, doesn't make them white. Many Jews can pass as white, but for many of us, we look "ethnic". I was born in NYC and alll my life I've been asked where I'm from.
>> "Jewish people, like Blacks, were forced out of their own country, the Blacks mainly kidnapped as slaves in the westm many women raped by white "masters" causing an intermixing of black and white and Judeans exiled by their occupier, Rome."
First off, let me say that I really appreciate your comment. Thank you!
I agree with every single sentence in your above paragraph. Obviously, you have a good grasp on history - and everything you say is an accurate analysis (IMHO) and can be corroborated by facts.
Here is my definition of Zionism:
Zionism is a political movement hatched in the 19th century, inspired by European ethnic-nationlist & colonial movements of the time. These movements believed that every “nationality” must have a defined territory for its own exclusive use. So the Zionists decided that Jews everywhere were not actually nationals of their countries, but rather an entirely different national group who could never truly become French, English, or any other nationality. Thus, they believed that they should all leave and form their own state in Palestine, displacing the prior inhabitants.
Yes - I know - they did try - and that is the tragedy - that all these Western countries that profess to care about human rights, freedom, democracy, etc. are the worst offenders of these ideals.
These Western countries, along with Jewish personalities such as Theodor Herzl, Leon Pinsker, etc. and later on British personalities such as Arthur Balfour, etc. had a vested interest in relocating the Jews to outside Europe.
I like and agree with most of what you wrote. But what is your definitionof Zionism? I believe it to be simply a desire to have a Jewish state? Am I wrong. Is it wrong to desire that in a world so rife with anti-semitism? And Jews have only been considered white since after WW2 because living in racist Amerika there were serious quotas on third world immigrants. Until then Jewish people were classified as "Orientals" (a racist term in itself). Jewish people, like Blacks, were forced out of their own country, the Blacks mainly kidnapped as slaves in the westm many women raped by white "masters" causing an intermixing of black and white and Judeans exiled by their occupier, Rome. Those exiled to Europe intermixed with Europeans, doesn't make them white. Many Jews can pass as white, but for many of us, we look "ethnic". I was born in NYC and alll my life I've been asked where I'm from.
You write:
>> "Jews have only been considered white since after WW2 because living in racist Amerika there were serious quotas on third world immigrants"
->Yes, this is true.
Ref: (1) Is the Jew White? The Racial Place of the Southern Jew (https://www.jstor.org/stable/23885563)
(2) Race, ethnicity, heritage and immigration among U.S. Jews (https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/race-ethnicity-heritage-and-immigration-among-u-s-jews/)
>> "Until then Jewish people were classified as "Orientals" (a racist term in itself)"
-> Yes, true - as explained in Edward W. Said's wonderful book "Orientalism"
Ref: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/355190.Orientalism
>> "Jewish people, like Blacks, were forced out of their own country, the Blacks mainly kidnapped as slaves in the westm many women raped by white "masters" causing an intermixing of black and white and Judeans exiled by their occupier, Rome."
-> Yes, also true
Ref: Jews & Blacks (Atlantic History) (https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/display/document/obo-9780199730414/obo-9780199730414-0254.xml)
First off, let me say that I really appreciate your comment. Thank you!
I agree with every single sentence in your above paragraph. Obviously, you have a good grasp on history - and everything you say is an accurate analysis (IMHO) and can be corroborated by facts.
Here is my definition of Zionism:
Zionism is a political movement hatched in the 19th century, inspired by European ethnic-nationlist & colonial movements of the time. These movements believed that every “nationality” must have a defined territory for its own exclusive use. So the Zionists decided that Jews everywhere were not actually nationals of their countries, but rather an entirely different national group who could never truly become French, English, or any other nationality. Thus, they believed that they should all leave and form their own state in Palestine, displacing the prior inhabitants.
Ha ha. Jews couldn’t truly become French or German or whatever they tried. History bears this out.
Yes - I know - they did try - and that is the tragedy - that all these Western countries that profess to care about human rights, freedom, democracy, etc. are the worst offenders of these ideals.
These Western countries, along with Jewish personalities such as Theodor Herzl, Leon Pinsker, etc. and later on British personalities such as Arthur Balfour, etc. had a vested interest in relocating the Jews to outside Europe.