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JennyStokes's avatar

Ha ha!

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Paulo Kirk's avatar

The U.S. government remains terrified of communism. And most younger Westerners assume its an antiquated authoritarian system and few read Marx. But if you ask the current generation why the U.S. fears and hates communism so much, given that its a failed system, you get blank looks. I mean, why not just let these uprisings, when they appear, fail? It makes no sense to mobilize this hatred of socialists and communists if they are doomed to self destruct.

The rejoinder, of course, is that its not a system that fails. And the hatred of it has multiple prongs. There is, of course, class privilege. And along with it, the ownership of property. Under Obama the final transference of wealth to the top 1% was completed

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JennyStokes's avatar

Please Paulo. I live in France.

We have many party's to vote for amongst them are communists and socialists.

Please do not use the word 'western!' IF you use the word 'western' it denotes that we are all like the USA. We are not.

I would love to agree with you BUT not many people in the US (because of propaganda) would not agree that socialism works. Yet we have free medical/schools/colleges/universities.

I lived in the USA for 23yrs and saw the propaganda.

Even before Reagan everyone was terrified of communism which is NOT Liberal socialism.

Most people in the US have a problem understanding left from right!

This happened WAY before Obama.

I have been a socialist all my life because I am prepared to pay taxes for the people who just cannot make life work. Everyone needs a home/job/decent pay/education. IF this doesn't happen you have a country which is defunct.

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Paulo Kirk's avatar

I too lived in France, and I am 66, and I know about the hatred of USSR and Cuba and and and in the 1950s, cold war, etc.

So, no, I know about French politcs, and other countries with socialist candidates.

Here, a great leader in communist tradition. From your country.

https://jacobin.com/2021/11/grigny-best-mayor-banlieue-suburbs-philippe-rio-french-communist-party

Philippe Rio from Grigny, south of Paris, has been voted the world’s best mayor. He told Jacobin about the local social programs that have made his Communist administration a global success story.

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And, well, Western is one of those interesting terms. I think of France and Germany and the Nordic countries as the Global North, for sure, and, hmm, everything over the Atlantic is of course east. When it comes to USA and looking from New York at toward Europe, well, there it is, the east. The Mayans and others always saw in their myths and culture that evil comes from the east. Boy were they right, no, coming from Iberia and Europe, the murderers of 100 million of more Native Americans (sic).

So, thanks for the input, and I am definitely not denying the great socialists and communists in Italian and French history, for sure.

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JennyStokes's avatar

I am so happy you commented here Paulo and thank you.

I have decided that this election I will vote Communist because Melanchon Socialist) will not back off and let other younger people come forward. I have seen Melanchon speak and I felt like putting a 'rocket up his backside.'

I live in a small Town in S. France. Very poor and we have a FN Mayor. OF course he is against immigration and whatever else is (so called) anti French culture. We have managed to get him to Court twice because of denying Kosher and Islamic meals to kids in school. We won the 2nd time.

Yes. I studied American Indian art and definitely they came from Europe after the GREAT FLOOD. Thor Hayerdahl: Kon Tiki Expedition proved that this was possible.

I would love to stay in touch with you.

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Klaus Hubbertz's avatar

Just have a look at the Oregon coast; you'll find him over there ...

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Paulo Kirk's avatar

Well, I think JennyStokes missed the point. The Mayans and the Aztecs and Omecas and Zapotecs and thousands of other nations and groups predicted calamity coming from the east. Cortez, that Red Haired Blue Eyed Devil and his Iberian Devils under Queen and King, came over, an, alas, we have 1492 and the impact of CONTACT.

In terms of the Heart of the Monster or other creation stories, I am on board with my fellow Native Americans. I am not going to play around with the land bridge, and what's the point?

Yep, horses DID survive the ice age. Yep, American Indians and Native ALaskans and all the way to Tierra del Fuego, leave the peoples alone. We do not need white man's burden explaining the world through archeology or anthropology.

Here, check this out:

This is the story of the unhealthy meeting of two cultures: an indigenous tribe, the Yanomami and the western anthropologists who came to the Amazon to study them. Over three decades the Yanomami Indians were transformed from the “last Stone Age tribe” so prized by those anthropologists to the most exhaustively documented and filmed tribe on earth.

Napoleon Chagnon built his reputation – and sold over a million books – by claiming to demonstrate the innate ferocity of Yanomami. He dubbed them The Fierce People. In 1968 his biggest expedition and most famous film were both lavishly funded by the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission. He targeted world-famous geneticist Dr James Neel, who literally wanted their blood – he was on the lookout for a ‘virgin soil’ population and was keen to know how diseases spread through such populations. Coincidentally or otherwise, a serious and deadly outbreak of measles happened during their expedition, killing hundreds in its wake.

Chagnon friend and fellow anthropologist Jacques Lizot, was a young prodigy and favoured student of the godfather of cultural anthropology and French intellectual icon, Claude Levi-Strauss. Like practically all other anthropologists in the field, they both distributed gifts, in order to ease their way into a tribe’s affections. “Chagnon is the golden goose for the Yanomami. He brings steel tools, machetes, fishhooks and they tell him what they think he wants to hear.” Lizot’s gifts included shotguns, but his favours were not confined to the academic and his illegal sexual predations amongst the Yanomami were kept sated over years, funded by the Collège de France and Académie Française over decades.

A leaked email from two top anthropologists notes: “This nightmarish story – a real anthropological Heart Of Darkness is beyond the imagining of even a Josef Conrad – though not, perhaps, a Josef Mengele.”

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Warped Anglo-Saxon-Franco human stain.

https://youtu.be/EGwDjwxUAqc?si=mOFCng_NclOhoIyK

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Juantastico's avatar

This comment reminds me of what Kurt Vonnegut wrote in his final book and memoir, "A Man Without A Country."

That true communism has never (yet) been tried.

I read that many years ago, but because of so much never ending pro-capitalistic propaganda in this country, I didn't really know what to do with that sentence or how to follow up on it.

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Paulo Kirk's avatar

Oh, countries want peace, food, clean air, harmony, community cohesion, schools, arts, dance, music, learning, light at night, and a roof and some time in nature, and good work.

Capitalism is about the three g's -- gold, greed, guns.

So, say, Nicaragua, well, the project was set well, but there are always rats from USA and other Capitalism Criminal Outfits seeding a community or town or country with the THree G's motherfuckers -- greedy gold seeking gun weilding misanthropes.

Try fighting city hall in your community. Try to resist taxes in this 2023 1040 season based on your own consciousness. Try forcing your state to raise the wages, force corporations to pay for their externalities, and to have real health care and real transportation choices.

Hahaha. That's capitalism -- no direct democracy, and the system rigged by and for the Fortune 10,000 thugs.

So, beastiality or socialism. Brutality or socialism. Barbarity or socialism.

There are no choices in a world where genocide is just an open project of TikTok criminals and Blinken-Yellen-Nuland-Kagan-Emoff-Garland Wailing Wall White House Murder Incorporated. Meyer Lansky, anyone?

Yeah, the people in this lobotomized system imagine the world ending or going the way of The Road, before imagining capitalism faltering and leaving planet earth.

Yah got that? Peace.

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