There we go again with this "Jew" hatred. You do understand that Jews, just like any other people, are not monolithic right? You would be more accurate if you hated Israelis and Zionists.
Also, you do know that some of the biggest supporters of Israel and Zionism are not Jews but evangelical Christians right?
Do you also hate all Germans, Russians, British, and other Europeans for what they have been doing to the Jews for 2000+ years?
Do you also hate all Muslims because of the terrorist attacks that have been attributed to them?
Do you also hate all Hindus because of the ethnic cleansing of Muslims practised by followers of Hindutva ideology in India?
Do you also hate all Chinese because of the enthnic cleansing of Uyghurs in China?
Do you also hate all Buddhists because of the genocide committed by them in Myanmar against the Rohingya muslims?
Zionist ideology is vile and rotten to the core. But if you really want to blame someone for it, you should look at the Europeans (which includes Russia) and North America. They are the ones that hated Jews (just as the Israelis hate the Arabs). They are the ones that created this Zionist problem in the first place. They are the ones that pushed out the Jews based on their own racist white-supremacy ideologies. And the Zionists learned from their abusers and have become racist white-supremacy abusers themselves.
Or is your hate and purposeful conflation of Jews and Zionism just an exception, an emotional reaction to the current crisis?
"I posit that any individual who isn’t down with what Israel is, and has been doing in Palestine, isn’t actually a Jew." fail, this is bigot's logic and obviously incorrect (JVP, BTS, etc, etc, etc)
Mike Fish: Here is an attempt to answer the question "Who is a Jew"?
“Who is a Jew?” This is an ancient question with no single, timeless answer. On the one hand, being Jewish is a matter of religion – the traditional, matrilineal definition of Jewish identity is founded on halakha (Jewish religious law). On the other hand, being Jewish also may be a matter of ancestry, ethnicity and cultural background. Jews (and non-Jews) may disagree on where to draw the line. Is an adult who has Jewish parents but who considers herself an atheist nevertheless Jewish, by virtue of her lineage? What about someone who has Jewish parents and has converted to Christianity? Or someone who has no known Jewish ancestry but is married to a Jew and has come to think of himself as Jewish, though he has not formally converted to Judaism?
Various people will have their own answers to these questions.
Here are some categorizations:
(1) Jews by religion – people who say their religion is Jewish (and who do not profess any other religion)
(2) Jews of no religion – people who describe themselves (religiously) as atheist, agnostic or nothing in particular, but who have a Jewish parent or were raised Jewish and who still consider themselves Jewish in some way.
(3) Non-Jewish people of Jewish background – people who have a Jewish parent or were raised Jewish but who, today, either have another religion (most are Christian) or say they do not consider themselves Jewish
(4) Non-Jewish people with a Jewish affinity – people who identify with another religion (in most cases, Christianity) or with no religion and who neither have a Jewish parent nor were raised Jewish but who nevertheless consider themselves Jewish in some way. Some say, for example, that they consider themselves partly Jewish because Jesus was Jewish, because “we all come from Abraham” or because they have Jewish friends or relatives.
There you go again explaining how you believe I do not know history, geopolitics, religion, and tribalism. This is Jewish ideology and you know it. Now, if Jews see the error of their religion, their rabbis, their masters, their mothership, their cabal, their role in history, their legacy of hateful Talmudic teachings, and the error of even an inch of land stolen from Palestinians, well well, then the Chokaski or Chomsky or whomever might have a fucking leg to stand on. But fucking lecturing me about your vision of Judaism....? You are joking, right?
Jews support their brothers and sisters in that stolen land. Is it your fucking religion? Stuff it next to the Torah, please.
It doesn't really matter what you believe, because your hatred and emotions won't let you think critically. And your ad hominem attacks and assumptions of things unstated further display your "need to be right" rather than your "need to think critically".
Is that Jewish anti Arab Hell, or where the Talmud wants all Goyim to go after the Jewish Satanists suck the blood and succor out of us all, even Jews who the Jewish State of Israel Jews call self-loathing Jews? Help me with the pathway to Hell your racist ideology wants to lead the non-Jewish world?
You seem to have particular knowledge of rotting like a unkosher pig smells and the racism of Judaism.
I'll stay awake for your horrible Talmudic bits of wisdom on how Oxen and Dog like Goyim and self-loathing Jews are.
Sweet dreams as you lust after Epstein's and Weinstein's version of Talmudic Heaven
If the abused inevitably become abusers, I’d be a serial killer.
I will never forgive life for what my abuser did to me. He broke my bones. He choked me into unconsciousness so many times that with every subsequence action, I hoped to really die that time. But that was HIS fault, nobody else’s, except for my own…and I made it through.
It left me with fists that I was always prepared to use, but I never started a fistfight myself.
It was always reactionary.
So don’t try to sell us that tired old bullshit that Jews are reacting to the so-called Holocaust. They SHOULD be the kindest, most moral people in the world ( see, there’s this thang called “empathy”) and the vast majority of Jews in both IsraHell and Amerikkka support the genocide.
If you can’t risk making a fool of yourself, best to keep your trap shut.
I'm sorry you had to go through what you did. There's a saying in the Talmud, "God keeps close those he loves the best". The meaning of that is that through pain we learn empathy for others. I am sorry but with your level of hatred towards people you obviously don't know and know nothing about other than your prejudices I would say you're not healed. Hatred is not healing.
I do not see that people who have suffered serious abuse should be the kindest people in the world. I also underwent serious abuse as a child. I did not automatically become a kind and loving person. I was mostly a confused person until I got help. And it took a long time to recover.
It takes a lot of work and determination to get to a place where one can see the long line of abuse and pain that has happened before the abuser got to you. At some point we have to stop hating and work on understanding. Only then will the cycle be broken and maybe wars and hating will stop. There is no need to forgive our abusers. Only to understand how they got there so that maybe we can slow it down from happening more.
It is you who is not understanding. Very often, when people have not processed and understood what happened to them, they either repeat it or harm themselves by using drugs or booze. This article might clarify some things for you. Or not. https://dissidentvoice.org/2024/01/social-formation/#more-147242
I don't support what the state of Israel is doing. I think that, in global terms, if we want to try to understand how to stop hate and genocide, we need to look further.
I like and agree with most of what you wrote. But what is your definitionof Zionism? I believe it to be simply a desire to have a Jewish state? Am I wrong. Is it wrong to desire that in a world so rife with anti-semitism? And Jews have only been considered white since after WW2 because living in racist Amerika there were serious quotas on third world immigrants. Until then Jewish people were classified as "Orientals" (a racist term in itself). Jewish people, like Blacks, were forced out of their own country, the Blacks mainly kidnapped as slaves in the westm many women raped by white "masters" causing an intermixing of black and white and Judeans exiled by their occupier, Rome. Those exiled to Europe intermixed with Europeans, doesn't make them white. Many Jews can pass as white, but for many of us, we look "ethnic". I was born in NYC and alll my life I've been asked where I'm from.
>> "Jewish people, like Blacks, were forced out of their own country, the Blacks mainly kidnapped as slaves in the westm many women raped by white "masters" causing an intermixing of black and white and Judeans exiled by their occupier, Rome."
First off, let me say that I really appreciate your comment. Thank you!
I agree with every single sentence in your above paragraph. Obviously, you have a good grasp on history - and everything you say is an accurate analysis (IMHO) and can be corroborated by facts.
Here is my definition of Zionism:
Zionism is a political movement hatched in the 19th century, inspired by European ethnic-nationlist & colonial movements of the time. These movements believed that every “nationality” must have a defined territory for its own exclusive use. So the Zionists decided that Jews everywhere were not actually nationals of their countries, but rather an entirely different national group who could never truly become French, English, or any other nationality. Thus, they believed that they should all leave and form their own state in Palestine, displacing the prior inhabitants.
Yes - I know - they did try - and that is the tragedy - that all these Western countries that profess to care about human rights, freedom, democracy, etc. are the worst offenders of these ideals.
These Western countries, along with Jewish personalities such as Theodor Herzl, Leon Pinsker, etc. and later on British personalities such as Arthur Balfour, etc. had a vested interest in relocating the Jews to outside Europe.
There we go again with this "Jew" hatred. You do understand that Jews, just like any other people, are not monolithic right? You would be more accurate if you hated Israelis and Zionists.
Also, you do know that some of the biggest supporters of Israel and Zionism are not Jews but evangelical Christians right?
Do you also hate all Germans, Russians, British, and other Europeans for what they have been doing to the Jews for 2000+ years?
Do you also hate all Muslims because of the terrorist attacks that have been attributed to them?
Do you also hate all Hindus because of the ethnic cleansing of Muslims practised by followers of Hindutva ideology in India?
Do you also hate all Chinese because of the enthnic cleansing of Uyghurs in China?
Do you also hate all Buddhists because of the genocide committed by them in Myanmar against the Rohingya muslims?
Zionist ideology is vile and rotten to the core. But if you really want to blame someone for it, you should look at the Europeans (which includes Russia) and North America. They are the ones that hated Jews (just as the Israelis hate the Arabs). They are the ones that created this Zionist problem in the first place. They are the ones that pushed out the Jews based on their own racist white-supremacy ideologies. And the Zionists learned from their abusers and have become racist white-supremacy abusers themselves.
Or is your hate and purposeful conflation of Jews and Zionism just an exception, an emotional reaction to the current crisis?
Hate?
Hatred?
I must have missed the part where he said I hate all Jews.
Please cite, or shut your lying ass, fucking, disingenuous fucking hole, or apologize.
I notice that you have the approval of the genocide approving Daniel.
Doesn’t that tell you anything?
I’ll ask you too, what is a Jew, according to you?
It’s the self titled Jewish state of Israel doing all of this murder and mayhem for the past seventy five years.
I’ve never heard it referred to as the home of the Zionists.
In the 1940s did the UN criminally invent a nation for the Zionists, or was it for the Jews?
If Jews didn’t want this genocide to be happening, it wouldn’t be happening.
The numbers, the polls, indicate that “the Jews” are pleased with this ongoing ethnic cleansing and killing, almost lock, stock, and barrel.
I posit that any individual who isn’t down with what Israel is, and has been doing in Palestine, isn’t actually a Jew.
What is a Jew, anyway?
"I posit that any individual who isn’t down with what Israel is, and has been doing in Palestine, isn’t actually a Jew." fail, this is bigot's logic and obviously incorrect (JVP, BTS, etc, etc, etc)
Mike Fish: Here is an attempt to answer the question "Who is a Jew"?
“Who is a Jew?” This is an ancient question with no single, timeless answer. On the one hand, being Jewish is a matter of religion – the traditional, matrilineal definition of Jewish identity is founded on halakha (Jewish religious law). On the other hand, being Jewish also may be a matter of ancestry, ethnicity and cultural background. Jews (and non-Jews) may disagree on where to draw the line. Is an adult who has Jewish parents but who considers herself an atheist nevertheless Jewish, by virtue of her lineage? What about someone who has Jewish parents and has converted to Christianity? Or someone who has no known Jewish ancestry but is married to a Jew and has come to think of himself as Jewish, though he has not formally converted to Judaism?
Various people will have their own answers to these questions.
Here are some categorizations:
(1) Jews by religion – people who say their religion is Jewish (and who do not profess any other religion)
(2) Jews of no religion – people who describe themselves (religiously) as atheist, agnostic or nothing in particular, but who have a Jewish parent or were raised Jewish and who still consider themselves Jewish in some way.
(3) Non-Jewish people of Jewish background – people who have a Jewish parent or were raised Jewish but who, today, either have another religion (most are Christian) or say they do not consider themselves Jewish
(4) Non-Jewish people with a Jewish affinity – people who identify with another religion (in most cases, Christianity) or with no religion and who neither have a Jewish parent nor were raised Jewish but who nevertheless consider themselves Jewish in some way. Some say, for example, that they consider themselves partly Jewish because Jesus was Jewish, because “we all come from Abraham” or because they have Jewish friends or relatives.
Sources:
(1) Who Is A Jew?: Reflections on History, Religion, and Culture (https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt6wq61q)
(2) Jewish identity and belief (https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/jewish-identity-and-belief/)
(3) Defining 'Who Is a Jew’ (https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2013-09-04/ty-article/.premium/defining-who-is-a-jew/0000017f-f723-d460-afff-ff67fa6f0000)
As you can see, answering the question "Who is a Jew" is a complex endeavour with a lot of nuance.
There you go again explaining how you believe I do not know history, geopolitics, religion, and tribalism. This is Jewish ideology and you know it. Now, if Jews see the error of their religion, their rabbis, their masters, their mothership, their cabal, their role in history, their legacy of hateful Talmudic teachings, and the error of even an inch of land stolen from Palestinians, well well, then the Chokaski or Chomsky or whomever might have a fucking leg to stand on. But fucking lecturing me about your vision of Judaism....? You are joking, right?
Jews support their brothers and sisters in that stolen land. Is it your fucking religion? Stuff it next to the Torah, please.
It doesn't really matter what you believe, because your hatred and emotions won't let you think critically. And your ad hominem attacks and assumptions of things unstated further display your "need to be right" rather than your "need to think critically".
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You are a fucking racist antiSemite. Go rot in hell
Is that Jewish anti Arab Hell, or where the Talmud wants all Goyim to go after the Jewish Satanists suck the blood and succor out of us all, even Jews who the Jewish State of Israel Jews call self-loathing Jews? Help me with the pathway to Hell your racist ideology wants to lead the non-Jewish world?
You seem to have particular knowledge of rotting like a unkosher pig smells and the racism of Judaism.
I'll stay awake for your horrible Talmudic bits of wisdom on how Oxen and Dog like Goyim and self-loathing Jews are.
Sweet dreams as you lust after Epstein's and Weinstein's version of Talmudic Heaven
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
If the abused inevitably become abusers, I’d be a serial killer.
I will never forgive life for what my abuser did to me. He broke my bones. He choked me into unconsciousness so many times that with every subsequence action, I hoped to really die that time. But that was HIS fault, nobody else’s, except for my own…and I made it through.
It left me with fists that I was always prepared to use, but I never started a fistfight myself.
It was always reactionary.
So don’t try to sell us that tired old bullshit that Jews are reacting to the so-called Holocaust. They SHOULD be the kindest, most moral people in the world ( see, there’s this thang called “empathy”) and the vast majority of Jews in both IsraHell and Amerikkka support the genocide.
If you can’t risk making a fool of yourself, best to keep your trap shut.
I'm sorry you had to go through what you did. There's a saying in the Talmud, "God keeps close those he loves the best". The meaning of that is that through pain we learn empathy for others. I am sorry but with your level of hatred towards people you obviously don't know and know nothing about other than your prejudices I would say you're not healed. Hatred is not healing.
WHAT “god”?
Not everyone can recover from their abuse as you seem to have done. Some need help getting through it.
Then they clearly need to get help.
Anyways, I was referring to an entire demographic, not just individuals.
I do not see that people who have suffered serious abuse should be the kindest people in the world. I also underwent serious abuse as a child. I did not automatically become a kind and loving person. I was mostly a confused person until I got help. And it took a long time to recover.
It takes a lot of work and determination to get to a place where one can see the long line of abuse and pain that has happened before the abuser got to you. At some point we have to stop hating and work on understanding. Only then will the cycle be broken and maybe wars and hating will stop. There is no need to forgive our abusers. Only to understand how they got there so that maybe we can slow it down from happening more.
Again, Susan:
This thing called EMPATHY.
Why in hell would you want genocide against a population when your own people experienced it?
Jews should be the very people advocating AGAINST genocide.
WTF don’t you get?
It is you who is not understanding. Very often, when people have not processed and understood what happened to them, they either repeat it or harm themselves by using drugs or booze. This article might clarify some things for you. Or not. https://dissidentvoice.org/2024/01/social-formation/#more-147242
I don't support what the state of Israel is doing. I think that, in global terms, if we want to try to understand how to stop hate and genocide, we need to look further.
I like and agree with most of what you wrote. But what is your definitionof Zionism? I believe it to be simply a desire to have a Jewish state? Am I wrong. Is it wrong to desire that in a world so rife with anti-semitism? And Jews have only been considered white since after WW2 because living in racist Amerika there were serious quotas on third world immigrants. Until then Jewish people were classified as "Orientals" (a racist term in itself). Jewish people, like Blacks, were forced out of their own country, the Blacks mainly kidnapped as slaves in the westm many women raped by white "masters" causing an intermixing of black and white and Judeans exiled by their occupier, Rome. Those exiled to Europe intermixed with Europeans, doesn't make them white. Many Jews can pass as white, but for many of us, we look "ethnic". I was born in NYC and alll my life I've been asked where I'm from.
You write:
>> "Jews have only been considered white since after WW2 because living in racist Amerika there were serious quotas on third world immigrants"
->Yes, this is true.
Ref: (1) Is the Jew White? The Racial Place of the Southern Jew (https://www.jstor.org/stable/23885563)
(2) Race, ethnicity, heritage and immigration among U.S. Jews (https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/race-ethnicity-heritage-and-immigration-among-u-s-jews/)
>> "Until then Jewish people were classified as "Orientals" (a racist term in itself)"
-> Yes, true - as explained in Edward W. Said's wonderful book "Orientalism"
Ref: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/355190.Orientalism
>> "Jewish people, like Blacks, were forced out of their own country, the Blacks mainly kidnapped as slaves in the westm many women raped by white "masters" causing an intermixing of black and white and Judeans exiled by their occupier, Rome."
-> Yes, also true
Ref: Jews & Blacks (Atlantic History) (https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/display/document/obo-9780199730414/obo-9780199730414-0254.xml)
First off, let me say that I really appreciate your comment. Thank you!
I agree with every single sentence in your above paragraph. Obviously, you have a good grasp on history - and everything you say is an accurate analysis (IMHO) and can be corroborated by facts.
Here is my definition of Zionism:
Zionism is a political movement hatched in the 19th century, inspired by European ethnic-nationlist & colonial movements of the time. These movements believed that every “nationality” must have a defined territory for its own exclusive use. So the Zionists decided that Jews everywhere were not actually nationals of their countries, but rather an entirely different national group who could never truly become French, English, or any other nationality. Thus, they believed that they should all leave and form their own state in Palestine, displacing the prior inhabitants.
Ha ha. Jews couldn’t truly become French or German or whatever they tried. History bears this out.
Yes - I know - they did try - and that is the tragedy - that all these Western countries that profess to care about human rights, freedom, democracy, etc. are the worst offenders of these ideals.
These Western countries, along with Jewish personalities such as Theodor Herzl, Leon Pinsker, etc. and later on British personalities such as Arthur Balfour, etc. had a vested interest in relocating the Jews to outside Europe.
Right on!
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