I am sure their are many Jews who do not approve of what is going on in Israel, whether they live there or elsewhere. Although I would really like to hear there is a lot of outrage in Israel over this genocide.
That's a nice thought- but umfortunately for us it is exactly the kind of naive sentiment that has gotten us Goyim into such a terrible mess. It is time to face a very stark reality, or continue to stand aside, watching in horror as the Jews coninue their savage rampage from the river to the sea, and beyond. The truth is an overwhelming majority of Jews (81% according to recent Jewish Times poll) are enthusiastic supporters of the continued mass murder of innocents.
Happening in America, lot of marches lots of Jewish people marching against what is going on in Palestine, and I'm sure in Israel as well. Sometimes there is little to coverage of those who speak out. During the US wars, I marched, and marched, and too often not reported, Called and wrote and it seemed to make little difference as it did for so many.
In Grief And Under Pressure, A Growing Number Of American Jews Protest Israeli Military Action
Yes, very true. Currently, Israel has a "Right", "Far-Right" and "Extreme-Right" (as per Gideon Levy). There is almost a non-existent "Center" or anything remotely resembling a "Left" in Israeli society currently.
And that is going to be a huge problem in the region for generations to come.
"Mass protests have taken place around Israel, with demonstrators calling for the return of Israeli captives held in Gaza, the removal of Prime Minister Netanyahu’s government and an end to the war in Gaza." I'm sure there are many maybe not most are against what their government is doing in Gaza, Gypsy why would think that all Jews in Israel and the US support this genocide?
You know fish you make a lot assumptions, and do you know what they say about people who do? They make an ass of themselves, and I guess it's already happened to you, since so much crap comes out your mouth. I'm a poet too, who knew.
Ernesto I'm surprised that you can't see the underlying demmeaning attitude he adopts when addressing me. . He didn't simply list facts.
Mike Fish
8 hrs ago
You’re “sure” of a “lot” aren’t you Fran.
You throw around meaningless terms like many, and alot, alot.
Do you feel verbally abused now, Fran?
Can't you see the tone he adopts when addressing me, the demeaning tone he uses? Not to mention I have been very aware of what is going on in Palestine for many years. I have never been anything but supportive of their position. His purpose is not to inform me, but to demean me. I'm sorry you can't see that, I can and I won't tolerate it. You can look through my previous posts on this issue, and I have always been supportive of the Palestinians, and have total contempt for Netanyahu,
I just declared the state of Michigan a place for horse-lovers only, where one is required to own one or more horses, since the noble horse constitutes a significant portion of my religion.
I think it was Max Blumenthal who said (& maybe Ali Abunimah too) that Israelis don't get to see the horrendous videos from Gaza that we in the West get to see & so aren't as well -informed as we are. Although I don't claim to know the truth & certainly do not want to excuse Zionists &/or Israelis in general, I must say this situation is clearly advantageous for Israeli propagandists who can point to large numbers (77-80%?) of Israelis who think the IDF isn't doing enough to destroy Hamas.
I am not in favor of mass murder of innocents whatever label they may wear. But don't worry, no matter how hard they try, the Israelis could never even come close to the genocidal record that the Christians proudly wear.
You may not have the intellectual flexibility to reframe the context of your beliefs, but the truth is all 3 Judaic- Christian religions are constructs designed by the very same tribe, deliberately designed to perpetuate strife and to ultimately to set all other races against each other. Insidious control of others is the game.
But even putting that aside, Christianity pales in comparison to the Jews for historical body count, once you get through a few layers of their obsfucation of the facts, that is.
Buckle up- here's a little primer on just one epoch, if you dare
Not really interested in engaging with anti-semitic mouthbeathers who seem to be Ms. Johnstone's new stock in trade. Disappointing to discover. The Jews comprise just 2% of the world population, Christians and Muslims - those who followed the Jews into patriarchal servitude, comprise just about half. The fact that so many can live in terror of so few is appalling/amazing,depressing. Is it our intelligence you fear? Most of us use it for good - like Jesus. Kind of like someone 10 feet tall fearing someone 4 feet tall. We must be very powerful..
"the Christians proudly wear" hey maybe not fall for reactionary bigotry in defense against bigotry - Israel (not to be confused with "the Jews") is still going to be leading the 21st century leaderboard for a while at this rate
And, the point is? Approve? They don't approve? This isn't a fucking fashion show. Jews who support one acre of Israel as Jewish State approve of ethnic cleansing and mowing the lawn. Good luck with your silliness
I'm with you Fran. When people can't argue logically or their hatred clouds their critical thinking abilities, they use misplaced anger to attack others.
Are you kidding? Thousands are being bombed in your name and mine, and this is it? Verbal abuse cop? Thanks for giving yet more fodder for more writing. Peace y paz.
Yeah, go figure a woman who doesn't want to be abused verbally for her expressed opinions by a man who feels he alone knows the truth. Amen! The end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I even had no connection to Fran as a woman. Alas, look me up .... Paul Haeder and Domestic Violence, on Gulag Google. Fran? I had no context for sure. I am not misogynist or misandrist... What the hell, this is fake community, Substack. Please, thicken thy skin.
From an atheist. In the Bible (I Timothy, 6:10) it is written "The love of money is the root of all Evil." And when Jesus fasted in the desert for 40 days, (Matthew 4:8, 4:9) "Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory." And Satan said, "All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”
Thousands protest in Israel demanding captive release, government to resign
"Mass protests have taken place around Israel, with demonstrators calling for the return of Israeli captives held in Gaza, the removal of Prime Minister Netanyahu’s government and an end to the war in Gaza."
No Fran, there are not. But some Jews in THIS country are among the leading dissidents against the war: Medea Benjamin, Phil Weiss, Norman Finkelstein, Alison Weir.
Yes, and there are other people, not well known, who are Jewish and are against this war, young and old, and they have made their voices heard, in America, around the world and in Israel. They have marched against the genocide in Gaza and I've seen it. While people voice their contempt for the prejudice against Palestinians, and what helps drive this genocide they turn around and make anti-Semitic remarks.
There is some, and perhaps you would like to see more, and so would I. Perhaps they are not covering it. During America's middle eastern wars many were involved in the anti-war movement, as was I. Did we get coverage, some, initially, then it kind of went down hill. There were marches that went unreported, and then the media adopted the pro-war policies of the administration. The media by and large is a mouth piece for one party or another in America.
I am sure their are many Jews who do not approve of what is going on in Israel, whether they live there or elsewhere. Although I would really like to hear there is a lot of outrage in Israel over this genocide.
That's a nice thought- but umfortunately for us it is exactly the kind of naive sentiment that has gotten us Goyim into such a terrible mess. It is time to face a very stark reality, or continue to stand aside, watching in horror as the Jews coninue their savage rampage from the river to the sea, and beyond. The truth is an overwhelming majority of Jews (81% according to recent Jewish Times poll) are enthusiastic supporters of the continued mass murder of innocents.
Happening in America, lot of marches lots of Jewish people marching against what is going on in Palestine, and I'm sure in Israel as well. Sometimes there is little to coverage of those who speak out. During the US wars, I marched, and marched, and too often not reported, Called and wrote and it seemed to make little difference as it did for so many.
In Grief And Under Pressure, A Growing Number Of American Jews Protest Israeli Military Action
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/israel-hamas-gaza-american-jews-protest-demonstrate-military-action_n_6542a229e4b06bc01e22c46c
Yes, I have seen this too. For example, Jewish Voices for Peace who have said “Never again means never again for ANYONE.
Thousands protest in Israel demanding captive release, government to resign
https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2024/1/6/thousands-protest-in-israel-demanding-captive-release-government-to-resign
Not the same thing, Fran.
These people only want a ceasefire in order to recover the “hostages”.
Yes, very true. Currently, Israel has a "Right", "Far-Right" and "Extreme-Right" (as per Gideon Levy). There is almost a non-existent "Center" or anything remotely resembling a "Left" in Israeli society currently.
And that is going to be a huge problem in the region for generations to come.
"Mass protests have taken place around Israel, with demonstrators calling for the return of Israeli captives held in Gaza, the removal of Prime Minister Netanyahu’s government and an end to the war in Gaza." I'm sure there are many maybe not most are against what their government is doing in Gaza, Gypsy why would think that all Jews in Israel and the US support this genocide?
You’re “sure” of a “lot” aren’t you Fran.
You throw around meaningless terms like many, and alot, alot.
Do you feel verbally abused now, Fran?
Because, I’m not going along with your “opinion”?
You realize that this assault upon Palestine, by the Jewish state of Israel started 75+ years ago, not just this past fall, don’t you Fran?
Where have these many/alot of Jews who don’t approve of what Israel is doing AGAIN been hiding until now?
What is it that you say it is that makes one a Jew, Fran?
If I understood that, maybe I could make sense of what you are saying.
I am saying that the Jewish state of Israel has no right to exist.
It’s invention was a crime against the people already living there.
You aren’t pro-crime are you, Fran?
What if all Christians demanded a nation of their own?
Muslims?
Futball worshippers?
Do we displace, and kill all of the people located where those groups feel like settling, also?
Oops, sounds like the United States and Israel to me.
What does it sound like to you?
Are you capable of hearing, something besides the voice in your own head?
Questions are beautiful things.
You know fish you make a lot assumptions, and do you know what they say about people who do? They make an ass of themselves, and I guess it's already happened to you, since so much crap comes out your mouth. I'm a poet too, who knew.
Typical Fran, avoidance, non response, nonsense.
Fran, however, makes no assumptions.
She has all the facts.
I guess that you only approve of verbal abuse when you’re the one dishing it out, Fran.
You’d be amusing, if the subject matter wasn’t so serious, and deadly.
Ernesto I'm surprised that you can't see the underlying demmeaning attitude he adopts when addressing me. . He didn't simply list facts.
Mike Fish
8 hrs ago
You’re “sure” of a “lot” aren’t you Fran.
You throw around meaningless terms like many, and alot, alot.
Do you feel verbally abused now, Fran?
Can't you see the tone he adopts when addressing me, the demeaning tone he uses? Not to mention I have been very aware of what is going on in Palestine for many years. I have never been anything but supportive of their position. His purpose is not to inform me, but to demean me. I'm sorry you can't see that, I can and I won't tolerate it. You can look through my previous posts on this issue, and I have always been supportive of the Palestinians, and have total contempt for Netanyahu,
Hi Mike
I just declared the state of Michigan a place for horse-lovers only, where one is required to own one or more horses, since the noble horse constitutes a significant portion of my religion.
Everybody else….OUT.
Think that’ll work? 😉
Michigan?
The birthplace of the american auto industry?
I love it.
No owning horses though.
You and I don’t own other creatures, we just care for them, and befriend them.
We ain’t capitalists.
I know a four legged creature, and he’s the best friend I’ve got, and he knows it, cause I show it.
You’re idea has merit.
Just don’t bomb the current residents of Michigan into submission, ok.
That shit don’t work.
Agree Mike… we are CARETAKERS, not “owners”!
My late Angelina was my best friend, not just a horse “that I owned.”
And we’ve got a bit of a start here, Mike: Mackinaw Island, where no cars are allowed, only horses and bicycles 🙂
I don’t intend to ban cars, just wean folks gradually away from their use, until every sees the inestimable pleasure of horses!
Some people are superior to others ---- isn't that obvious ?????
Cheap Real Estate to be available in Palestine for people who qualify !!!!
You are correct Fran. At the moment MSN is so bad on reporting protests. They don't want to hear Jewish people protesting.
Fran? Really.
Do you seriously believe that the IsraHelli government would allow such protests?
Yes, and many, no, most can't stand Netanyahu.
I think it was Max Blumenthal who said (& maybe Ali Abunimah too) that Israelis don't get to see the horrendous videos from Gaza that we in the West get to see & so aren't as well -informed as we are. Although I don't claim to know the truth & certainly do not want to excuse Zionists &/or Israelis in general, I must say this situation is clearly advantageous for Israeli propagandists who can point to large numbers (77-80%?) of Israelis who think the IDF isn't doing enough to destroy Hamas.
Then I wanna train my own eyes on the 19% who do NOT want the massacres.
I am not in favor of mass murder of innocents whatever label they may wear. But don't worry, no matter how hard they try, the Israelis could never even come close to the genocidal record that the Christians proudly wear.
You may not have the intellectual flexibility to reframe the context of your beliefs, but the truth is all 3 Judaic- Christian religions are constructs designed by the very same tribe, deliberately designed to perpetuate strife and to ultimately to set all other races against each other. Insidious control of others is the game.
But even putting that aside, Christianity pales in comparison to the Jews for historical body count, once you get through a few layers of their obsfucation of the facts, that is.
Buckle up- here's a little primer on just one epoch, if you dare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3mr0rsNyGs
Not really interested in engaging with anti-semitic mouthbeathers who seem to be Ms. Johnstone's new stock in trade. Disappointing to discover. The Jews comprise just 2% of the world population, Christians and Muslims - those who followed the Jews into patriarchal servitude, comprise just about half. The fact that so many can live in terror of so few is appalling/amazing,depressing. Is it our intelligence you fear? Most of us use it for good - like Jesus. Kind of like someone 10 feet tall fearing someone 4 feet tall. We must be very powerful..
you think I care what you think. That's hilarious.
"the Christians proudly wear" hey maybe not fall for reactionary bigotry in defense against bigotry - Israel (not to be confused with "the Jews") is still going to be leading the 21st century leaderboard for a while at this rate
And, the point is? Approve? They don't approve? This isn't a fucking fashion show. Jews who support one acre of Israel as Jewish State approve of ethnic cleansing and mowing the lawn. Good luck with your silliness
You can disagree all you want but that doesn't entitle you to attack me, or be abusive verbally.
I'm with you Fran. When people can't argue logically or their hatred clouds their critical thinking abilities, they use misplaced anger to attack others.
Logic.
Now that’s a hoot.
Thanks I appreciate your reponse.
Are you kidding? Thousands are being bombed in your name and mine, and this is it? Verbal abuse cop? Thanks for giving yet more fodder for more writing. Peace y paz.
Shkran.
Yeah, go figure a woman who doesn't want to be abused verbally for her expressed opinions by a man who feels he alone knows the truth. Amen! The end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I even had no connection to Fran as a woman. Alas, look me up .... Paul Haeder and Domestic Violence, on Gulag Google. Fran? I had no context for sure. I am not misogynist or misandrist... What the hell, this is fake community, Substack. Please, thicken thy skin.
From an atheist. In the Bible (I Timothy, 6:10) it is written "The love of money is the root of all Evil." And when Jesus fasted in the desert for 40 days, (Matthew 4:8, 4:9) "Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory." And Satan said, "All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”
Didn’t you know that Fran identifies as a woman?
And, that’s a protected class in society.
No disagreement, or harsh language allowed.
It’s a card that she/he/it plays regularly, rather than responding to questions that don’t conform with “her” world view.
Additionally, we have that old “one truth” conundrum.
The “one truth” is it’s genocide.
No, the “one truth” is it’s self defense.
The earth is flat.
No round.
No oblong.
By the way, I couldn’t find the part where you said that you “hated” ALL Jews.
Sounds like fucking defamation, slander, “bearing false witness against thy neighbor” shit to me.
Oh no “he” said shit, and fucking!!!
Forbidden words!!!
Harsh language!!!
Your point of view surely needs to be banned.
I’ll ask again, what is a Jew?
Is it a religion?
A race?
A supremacist ideology?
How is it that some groups of self identified Jews discriminate against, and abuse other groups of self identified Jews?
Pretty fucked up shit!!
Oh no, he said shit, and fuck again.
You know how it is, some people just look at words, rather than ideas.
I assure you, Fran and friends have never sniffed a fucking Talmud, much less read the fucking thing.
Can’t we all just be more agreeable???
If the Palestinians had just been more agreeable, they could get along with the Jewish state of Israel, right?
The Jewish homeland.
The nation invented/invaded for the Jews.
I mean, what does being Jewish have to do with anything?
Some say many Jews don’t approve of Israel.
I’ve never seen that “manifest” itself in any way.
Maybe I’m missing something.
If Israel is the land of the Jews, and “many Jews” don’t approve of it, are those “many Jews” really Jewish???
Jewish, Christian, Muslim, it’s all grade A superstitious bullshit, anyway.
Just like killing unarmed, defenseless men, children, and certainly, of course women, is complete bullshit.
People are people.
Some have penises, some have vaginas, and I hear that some are even born with a mishmash of both.
What the fuck does that have to do with the subject at hand, is my question.
And, the children!!!
Killing children is the cardinal sin???
What about the moms and dads, and grampas, and grammas?
Their suffering doesn’t count as much?
It’s all just complete bullshit.
Murdering, and maiming anyone/everyone is just plain wrong.
But, I believe that the subject at hand is the genocide being conducted by the Jewish state of Israel.
So, I ask again, what is a Jew?
And, if I have offended anyone, no, if anyone is offended by my questions/observations, I really don’t give a good god damn.
I am a firm believer that everyone has the “human right” to express themselves.
And, others have the right to disagree.
And, that’s where understanding “can” begin to take place.
Some folks just like things all nice and agreeable.
On their terms, of course.
Sorry to go on a rant.
I’m not a fan of the
word/thought police.
What a dumbed down, coddled world “some” of us inhabit.
I wonder what a Palestinian would think of our trivial disagreements?
https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2024/1/6/thousands-protest-in-israel-demanding-captive-release-government-to-resign
Thousands protest in Israel demanding captive release, government to resign
"Mass protests have taken place around Israel, with demonstrators calling for the return of Israeli captives held in Gaza, the removal of Prime Minister Netanyahu’s government and an end to the war in Gaza."
Now they are going to fight Hezbollah because Netanyahu doesn't want to go to Jail!
A lot of the Jewish people know this which is why they aree protesting.
No Fran, there are not. But some Jews in THIS country are among the leading dissidents against the war: Medea Benjamin, Phil Weiss, Norman Finkelstein, Alison Weir.
To whom I’m forever grateful.
Yes, and there are other people, not well known, who are Jewish and are against this war, young and old, and they have made their voices heard, in America, around the world and in Israel. They have marched against the genocide in Gaza and I've seen it. While people voice their contempt for the prejudice against Palestinians, and what helps drive this genocide they turn around and make anti-Semitic remarks.
well said- important distinction to understand.
There is some, and perhaps you would like to see more, and so would I. Perhaps they are not covering it. During America's middle eastern wars many were involved in the anti-war movement, as was I. Did we get coverage, some, initially, then it kind of went down hill. There were marches that went unreported, and then the media adopted the pro-war policies of the administration. The media by and large is a mouth piece for one party or another in America.
It's true, dissent can be drowned out a number of ways to where it's barely or not even perceivable.