There we go again with this "Jew" hatred. You do understand that Jews, just like any other people, are not monolithic right? You would be more accurate if you hated Israelis and Zionists.
Also, you do know that some of the biggest supporters of Israel and Zionism are not Jews but evangelical Christians right?
Do you also hate all Germans, Russians, British, and other Europeans for what they have been doing to the Jews for 2000+ years?
Do you also hate all Muslims because of the terrorist attacks that have been attributed to them?
Do you also hate all Hindus because of the ethnic cleansing of Muslims practised by followers of Hindutva ideology in India?
Do you also hate all Chinese because of the enthnic cleansing of Uyghurs in China?
Do you also hate all Buddhists because of the genocide committed by them in Myanmar against the Rohingya muslims?
Zionist ideology is vile and rotten to the core. But if you really want to blame someone for it, you should look at the Europeans (which includes Russia) and North America. They are the ones that hated Jews (just as the Israelis hate the Arabs). They are the ones that created this Zionist problem in the first place. They are the ones that pushed out the Jews based on their own racist white-supremacy ideologies. And the Zionists learned from their abusers and have become racist white-supremacy abusers themselves.
Or is your hate and purposeful conflation of Jews and Zionism just an exception, an emotional reaction to the current crisis?
"I posit that any individual who isn’t down with what Israel is, and has been doing in Palestine, isn’t actually a Jew." fail, this is bigot's logic and obviously incorrect (JVP, BTS, etc, etc, etc)
Mike Fish: Here is an attempt to answer the question "Who is a Jew"?
“Who is a Jew?” This is an ancient question with no single, timeless answer. On the one hand, being Jewish is a matter of religion – the traditional, matrilineal definition of Jewish identity is founded on halakha (Jewish religious law). On the other hand, being Jewish also may be a matter of ancestry, ethnicity and cultural background. Jews (and non-Jews) may disagree on where to draw the line. Is an adult who has Jewish parents but who considers herself an atheist nevertheless Jewish, by virtue of her lineage? What about someone who has Jewish parents and has converted to Christianity? Or someone who has no known Jewish ancestry but is married to a Jew and has come to think of himself as Jewish, though he has not formally converted to Judaism?
Various people will have their own answers to these questions.
Here are some categorizations:
(1) Jews by religion – people who say their religion is Jewish (and who do not profess any other religion)
(2) Jews of no religion – people who describe themselves (religiously) as atheist, agnostic or nothing in particular, but who have a Jewish parent or were raised Jewish and who still consider themselves Jewish in some way.
(3) Non-Jewish people of Jewish background – people who have a Jewish parent or were raised Jewish but who, today, either have another religion (most are Christian) or say they do not consider themselves Jewish
(4) Non-Jewish people with a Jewish affinity – people who identify with another religion (in most cases, Christianity) or with no religion and who neither have a Jewish parent nor were raised Jewish but who nevertheless consider themselves Jewish in some way. Some say, for example, that they consider themselves partly Jewish because Jesus was Jewish, because “we all come from Abraham” or because they have Jewish friends or relatives.
There you go again explaining how you believe I do not know history, geopolitics, religion, and tribalism. This is Jewish ideology and you know it. Now, if Jews see the error of their religion, their rabbis, their masters, their mothership, their cabal, their role in history, their legacy of hateful Talmudic teachings, and the error of even an inch of land stolen from Palestinians, well well, then the Chokaski or Chomsky or whomever might have a fucking leg to stand on. But fucking lecturing me about your vision of Judaism....? You are joking, right?
Jews support their brothers and sisters in that stolen land. Is it your fucking religion? Stuff it next to the Torah, please.
It doesn't really matter what you believe, because your hatred and emotions won't let you think critically. And your ad hominem attacks and assumptions of things unstated further display your "need to be right" rather than your "need to think critically".
Is that Jewish anti Arab Hell, or where the Talmud wants all Goyim to go after the Jewish Satanists suck the blood and succor out of us all, even Jews who the Jewish State of Israel Jews call self-loathing Jews? Help me with the pathway to Hell your racist ideology wants to lead the non-Jewish world?
You seem to have particular knowledge of rotting like a unkosher pig smells and the racism of Judaism.
I'll stay awake for your horrible Talmudic bits of wisdom on how Oxen and Dog like Goyim and self-loathing Jews are.
Sweet dreams as you lust after Epstein's and Weinstein's version of Talmudic Heaven
If the abused inevitably become abusers, I’d be a serial killer.
I will never forgive life for what my abuser did to me. He broke my bones. He choked me into unconsciousness so many times that with every subsequence action, I hoped to really die that time. But that was HIS fault, nobody else’s, except for my own…and I made it through.
It left me with fists that I was always prepared to use, but I never started a fistfight myself.
It was always reactionary.
So don’t try to sell us that tired old bullshit that Jews are reacting to the so-called Holocaust. They SHOULD be the kindest, most moral people in the world ( see, there’s this thang called “empathy”) and the vast majority of Jews in both IsraHell and Amerikkka support the genocide.
If you can’t risk making a fool of yourself, best to keep your trap shut.
I'm sorry you had to go through what you did. There's a saying in the Talmud, "God keeps close those he loves the best". The meaning of that is that through pain we learn empathy for others. I am sorry but with your level of hatred towards people you obviously don't know and know nothing about other than your prejudices I would say you're not healed. Hatred is not healing.
I do not see that people who have suffered serious abuse should be the kindest people in the world. I also underwent serious abuse as a child. I did not automatically become a kind and loving person. I was mostly a confused person until I got help. And it took a long time to recover.
It takes a lot of work and determination to get to a place where one can see the long line of abuse and pain that has happened before the abuser got to you. At some point we have to stop hating and work on understanding. Only then will the cycle be broken and maybe wars and hating will stop. There is no need to forgive our abusers. Only to understand how they got there so that maybe we can slow it down from happening more.
I like and agree with most of what you wrote. But what is your definitionof Zionism? I believe it to be simply a desire to have a Jewish state? Am I wrong. Is it wrong to desire that in a world so rife with anti-semitism? And Jews have only been considered white since after WW2 because living in racist Amerika there were serious quotas on third world immigrants. Until then Jewish people were classified as "Orientals" (a racist term in itself). Jewish people, like Blacks, were forced out of their own country, the Blacks mainly kidnapped as slaves in the westm many women raped by white "masters" causing an intermixing of black and white and Judeans exiled by their occupier, Rome. Those exiled to Europe intermixed with Europeans, doesn't make them white. Many Jews can pass as white, but for many of us, we look "ethnic". I was born in NYC and alll my life I've been asked where I'm from.
>> "Jewish people, like Blacks, were forced out of their own country, the Blacks mainly kidnapped as slaves in the westm many women raped by white "masters" causing an intermixing of black and white and Judeans exiled by their occupier, Rome."
First off, let me say that I really appreciate your comment. Thank you!
I agree with every single sentence in your above paragraph. Obviously, you have a good grasp on history - and everything you say is an accurate analysis (IMHO) and can be corroborated by facts.
Here is my definition of Zionism:
Zionism is a political movement hatched in the 19th century, inspired by European ethnic-nationlist & colonial movements of the time. These movements believed that every “nationality” must have a defined territory for its own exclusive use. So the Zionists decided that Jews everywhere were not actually nationals of their countries, but rather an entirely different national group who could never truly become French, English, or any other nationality. Thus, they believed that they should all leave and form their own state in Palestine, displacing the prior inhabitants.
Yes - I know - they did try - and that is the tragedy - that all these Western countries that profess to care about human rights, freedom, democracy, etc. are the worst offenders of these ideals.
These Western countries, along with Jewish personalities such as Theodor Herzl, Leon Pinsker, etc. and later on British personalities such as Arthur Balfour, etc. had a vested interest in relocating the Jews to outside Europe.
I am sure their are many Jews who do not approve of what is going on in Israel, whether they live there or elsewhere. Although I would really like to hear there is a lot of outrage in Israel over this genocide.
That's a nice thought- but umfortunately for us it is exactly the kind of naive sentiment that has gotten us Goyim into such a terrible mess. It is time to face a very stark reality, or continue to stand aside, watching in horror as the Jews coninue their savage rampage from the river to the sea, and beyond. The truth is an overwhelming majority of Jews (81% according to recent Jewish Times poll) are enthusiastic supporters of the continued mass murder of innocents.
Happening in America, lot of marches lots of Jewish people marching against what is going on in Palestine, and I'm sure in Israel as well. Sometimes there is little to coverage of those who speak out. During the US wars, I marched, and marched, and too often not reported, Called and wrote and it seemed to make little difference as it did for so many.
In Grief And Under Pressure, A Growing Number Of American Jews Protest Israeli Military Action
You know fish you make a lot assumptions, and do you know what they say about people who do? They make an ass of themselves, and I guess it's already happened to you, since so much crap comes out your mouth. I'm a poet too, who knew.
I just declared the state of Michigan a place for horse-lovers only, where one is required to own one or more horses, since the noble horse constitutes a significant portion of my religion.
I think it was Max Blumenthal who said (& maybe Ali Abunimah too) that Israelis don't get to see the horrendous videos from Gaza that we in the West get to see & so aren't as well -informed as we are. Although I don't claim to know the truth & certainly do not want to excuse Zionists &/or Israelis in general, I must say this situation is clearly advantageous for Israeli propagandists who can point to large numbers (77-80%?) of Israelis who think the IDF isn't doing enough to destroy Hamas.
I am not in favor of mass murder of innocents whatever label they may wear. But don't worry, no matter how hard they try, the Israelis could never even come close to the genocidal record that the Christians proudly wear.
You may not have the intellectual flexibility to reframe the context of your beliefs, but the truth is all 3 Judaic- Christian religions are constructs designed by the very same tribe, deliberately designed to perpetuate strife and to ultimately to set all other races against each other. Insidious control of others is the game.
But even putting that aside, Christianity pales in comparison to the Jews for historical body count, once you get through a few layers of their obsfucation of the facts, that is.
Buckle up- here's a little primer on just one epoch, if you dare
Not really interested in engaging with anti-semitic mouthbeathers who seem to be Ms. Johnstone's new stock in trade. Disappointing to discover. The Jews comprise just 2% of the world population, Christians and Muslims - those who followed the Jews into patriarchal servitude, comprise just about half. The fact that so many can live in terror of so few is appalling/amazing,depressing. Is it our intelligence you fear? Most of us use it for good - like Jesus. Kind of like someone 10 feet tall fearing someone 4 feet tall. We must be very powerful..
"the Christians proudly wear" hey maybe not fall for reactionary bigotry in defense against bigotry - Israel (not to be confused with "the Jews") is still going to be leading the 21st century leaderboard for a while at this rate
And, the point is? Approve? They don't approve? This isn't a fucking fashion show. Jews who support one acre of Israel as Jewish State approve of ethnic cleansing and mowing the lawn. Good luck with your silliness
I'm with you Fran. When people can't argue logically or their hatred clouds their critical thinking abilities, they use misplaced anger to attack others.
Are you kidding? Thousands are being bombed in your name and mine, and this is it? Verbal abuse cop? Thanks for giving yet more fodder for more writing. Peace y paz.
Yeah, go figure a woman who doesn't want to be abused verbally for her expressed opinions by a man who feels he alone knows the truth. Amen! The end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I even had no connection to Fran as a woman. Alas, look me up .... Paul Haeder and Domestic Violence, on Gulag Google. Fran? I had no context for sure. I am not misogynist or misandrist... What the hell, this is fake community, Substack. Please, thicken thy skin.
From an atheist. In the Bible (I Timothy, 6:10) it is written "The love of money is the root of all Evil." And when Jesus fasted in the desert for 40 days, (Matthew 4:8, 4:9) "Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory." And Satan said, "All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”
Thousands protest in Israel demanding captive release, government to resign
"Mass protests have taken place around Israel, with demonstrators calling for the return of Israeli captives held in Gaza, the removal of Prime Minister Netanyahu’s government and an end to the war in Gaza."
No Fran, there are not. But some Jews in THIS country are among the leading dissidents against the war: Medea Benjamin, Phil Weiss, Norman Finkelstein, Alison Weir.
Yes, and there are other people, not well known, who are Jewish and are against this war, young and old, and they have made their voices heard, in America, around the world and in Israel. They have marched against the genocide in Gaza and I've seen it. While people voice their contempt for the prejudice against Palestinians, and what helps drive this genocide they turn around and make anti-Semitic remarks.
There is some, and perhaps you would like to see more, and so would I. Perhaps they are not covering it. During America's middle eastern wars many were involved in the anti-war movement, as was I. Did we get coverage, some, initially, then it kind of went down hill. There were marches that went unreported, and then the media adopted the pro-war policies of the administration. The media by and large is a mouth piece for one party or another in America.
No, being Jewish does not make one a Zionist, and given that there are in fact more Christian Zionists than there are Israelis, being a Zionist certainly does not make one a Jew.
I am neither, but I'm not about to sit here and let Jews like Norman Finkelstein, Max Blumenthal, Russell Dobular and Keaton Weiss be smeared with what has clearly become the blood libel of being labeled a Zionist.
I didn't say he had been. Nonetheless, I know that Max Blumenthal is an anti-Zionist Jews, and when all Jews are painted with the same genocidal Zionist brush that endangers Jews like Blumenthal, for whom I have great respect as both a journalist and just a man of conscience.
"Blood libel" refers to when the medieval Catholic Church told people that Jews killed Christian babies to use their blood in dark rituals. It was a great way to start a pogram and distract the peasants from the doings of Church and nobility.
Israelis and their Zionist supporters have been accusing anyone who says Israel is committing genocide of blood libel, most recently the South African government when it filed suit against Israel in the International Court of Justice, accusing Israel of genocide.
If all Jews are tainted by what Israel is doing, then there's a danger of REAL anti-Semitism rearing its ugly head, and I don't want to see that happen.
Oh, Mister Fish. You are in the sandbox of, well, as they say, Substack Crusaders. It's the same over at Sheer Post. Amazing amounts of nuancing and parsing, finding a semite here and an anti-semite there, all thise bravado and hair splitting.
And someone is "reporting" you to who? Is this the Good German thing we all know about.
Finkelstein was on Russell's show, and he stated how his father told Norman about a great book he read, by a Russian, and told Norman that this is the truth -- The Russian historian slash writer never referred to those in Germany Nazis. He hated the Germans. You know, it was a Nazi State, and alas, Norman was taken aback but understands this.
Russell mention something as a Devil's advocate to Norman around the issue of "are you seeing that anti-semitism is being grafted onto this genocide Israel is undertaking?"
Old Norm clarified and stated that it's a natural spillover that good people might equate what the Jewish State of Jewish Israel is doing (every branch of anything in Isra-Hell has that religious emblem everywhere) to Palestinians as what Jews worldwide advocate and agree with. He's certainly clear that the number of women and babies and children killed compared to supposed military militants is the worse ratio in this century and most of the last part of the 20th century.
He's not worried about anti-semitism spillover. He also mention Graham Greene's novel, the Ugly American, making the point that it wasn't called "The Ugly CIA" or "The Ugly American Army."
It is death and dying in the time of the ugly Jew. SOrt of a Marquez novel, "One Hundred Years of Nakba" never made into a movie by you know who who controls Hollywood and the media, in their own words.
So, welcome to the mud pit of Substack railing and dancing and massive comments threads and, well, Mister Fish, you read and comment on my Substack and have read my more traditional journalism and my books, so you might get me better than a Substack armchair hero. You've even met me in person for weeks on end, and took a Zoom part of a face-to-face class.
You know who Paulo is -- AKA Paul K. Haeder, or Paul Haeder. In the olden days of the Jewish Project Google, I'd get so many more hits putting my real name in the Gulag Machine of Google.
But, those who control the data, control the world (since data is worth more than gold and oil and food and water and land -- or that is, data can control all of those and more) , so yep, we are just subjects, less than serfs, to the Blinken's and Soros's and Larry Finks of the world.
Is someone really reporting you? What does that mean when someone states that on Substack Crap Landia?
Is that Mossad? FBI? My Jurez Cartel buddies? THe Banditos I did stories about? SHit, scares the shit out of me, man. Almost as bad as being banned by Fucker-Berg-Book and his Mossad-CIA-Jewish Unsocial media outfit, Meta or some such fucked up place.
Most of the people who comment on the internet are too young to be familiar with the history of anti-Semitism, which led to the creation of a state for Jews.
But pointing this out gets radical commies like me sent to FuckYouBook jail and labeled anti Judaica.... Those who control the narrative and data, control the world. Wish I was a Rothschild.....
It is a special Jewish project. Don't let them fool us into thinking Zionism is in a vacuum.... Jewishness & Zionism go hand in hand!
https://open.substack.com/pub/paulokirk/p/dont-be-fooled-israel-is-jewish-and?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=5i319
There we go again with this "Jew" hatred. You do understand that Jews, just like any other people, are not monolithic right? You would be more accurate if you hated Israelis and Zionists.
Also, you do know that some of the biggest supporters of Israel and Zionism are not Jews but evangelical Christians right?
Do you also hate all Germans, Russians, British, and other Europeans for what they have been doing to the Jews for 2000+ years?
Do you also hate all Muslims because of the terrorist attacks that have been attributed to them?
Do you also hate all Hindus because of the ethnic cleansing of Muslims practised by followers of Hindutva ideology in India?
Do you also hate all Chinese because of the enthnic cleansing of Uyghurs in China?
Do you also hate all Buddhists because of the genocide committed by them in Myanmar against the Rohingya muslims?
Zionist ideology is vile and rotten to the core. But if you really want to blame someone for it, you should look at the Europeans (which includes Russia) and North America. They are the ones that hated Jews (just as the Israelis hate the Arabs). They are the ones that created this Zionist problem in the first place. They are the ones that pushed out the Jews based on their own racist white-supremacy ideologies. And the Zionists learned from their abusers and have become racist white-supremacy abusers themselves.
Or is your hate and purposeful conflation of Jews and Zionism just an exception, an emotional reaction to the current crisis?
Hate?
Hatred?
I must have missed the part where he said I hate all Jews.
Please cite, or shut your lying ass, fucking, disingenuous fucking hole, or apologize.
I notice that you have the approval of the genocide approving Daniel.
Doesn’t that tell you anything?
I’ll ask you too, what is a Jew, according to you?
It’s the self titled Jewish state of Israel doing all of this murder and mayhem for the past seventy five years.
I’ve never heard it referred to as the home of the Zionists.
In the 1940s did the UN criminally invent a nation for the Zionists, or was it for the Jews?
If Jews didn’t want this genocide to be happening, it wouldn’t be happening.
The numbers, the polls, indicate that “the Jews” are pleased with this ongoing ethnic cleansing and killing, almost lock, stock, and barrel.
I posit that any individual who isn’t down with what Israel is, and has been doing in Palestine, isn’t actually a Jew.
What is a Jew, anyway?
"I posit that any individual who isn’t down with what Israel is, and has been doing in Palestine, isn’t actually a Jew." fail, this is bigot's logic and obviously incorrect (JVP, BTS, etc, etc, etc)
Mike Fish: Here is an attempt to answer the question "Who is a Jew"?
“Who is a Jew?” This is an ancient question with no single, timeless answer. On the one hand, being Jewish is a matter of religion – the traditional, matrilineal definition of Jewish identity is founded on halakha (Jewish religious law). On the other hand, being Jewish also may be a matter of ancestry, ethnicity and cultural background. Jews (and non-Jews) may disagree on where to draw the line. Is an adult who has Jewish parents but who considers herself an atheist nevertheless Jewish, by virtue of her lineage? What about someone who has Jewish parents and has converted to Christianity? Or someone who has no known Jewish ancestry but is married to a Jew and has come to think of himself as Jewish, though he has not formally converted to Judaism?
Various people will have their own answers to these questions.
Here are some categorizations:
(1) Jews by religion – people who say their religion is Jewish (and who do not profess any other religion)
(2) Jews of no religion – people who describe themselves (religiously) as atheist, agnostic or nothing in particular, but who have a Jewish parent or were raised Jewish and who still consider themselves Jewish in some way.
(3) Non-Jewish people of Jewish background – people who have a Jewish parent or were raised Jewish but who, today, either have another religion (most are Christian) or say they do not consider themselves Jewish
(4) Non-Jewish people with a Jewish affinity – people who identify with another religion (in most cases, Christianity) or with no religion and who neither have a Jewish parent nor were raised Jewish but who nevertheless consider themselves Jewish in some way. Some say, for example, that they consider themselves partly Jewish because Jesus was Jewish, because “we all come from Abraham” or because they have Jewish friends or relatives.
Sources:
(1) Who Is A Jew?: Reflections on History, Religion, and Culture (https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt6wq61q)
(2) Jewish identity and belief (https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/jewish-identity-and-belief/)
(3) Defining 'Who Is a Jew’ (https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2013-09-04/ty-article/.premium/defining-who-is-a-jew/0000017f-f723-d460-afff-ff67fa6f0000)
As you can see, answering the question "Who is a Jew" is a complex endeavour with a lot of nuance.
There you go again explaining how you believe I do not know history, geopolitics, religion, and tribalism. This is Jewish ideology and you know it. Now, if Jews see the error of their religion, their rabbis, their masters, their mothership, their cabal, their role in history, their legacy of hateful Talmudic teachings, and the error of even an inch of land stolen from Palestinians, well well, then the Chokaski or Chomsky or whomever might have a fucking leg to stand on. But fucking lecturing me about your vision of Judaism....? You are joking, right?
Jews support their brothers and sisters in that stolen land. Is it your fucking religion? Stuff it next to the Torah, please.
It doesn't really matter what you believe, because your hatred and emotions won't let you think critically. And your ad hominem attacks and assumptions of things unstated further display your "need to be right" rather than your "need to think critically".
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You are a fucking racist antiSemite. Go rot in hell
Is that Jewish anti Arab Hell, or where the Talmud wants all Goyim to go after the Jewish Satanists suck the blood and succor out of us all, even Jews who the Jewish State of Israel Jews call self-loathing Jews? Help me with the pathway to Hell your racist ideology wants to lead the non-Jewish world?
You seem to have particular knowledge of rotting like a unkosher pig smells and the racism of Judaism.
I'll stay awake for your horrible Talmudic bits of wisdom on how Oxen and Dog like Goyim and self-loathing Jews are.
Sweet dreams as you lust after Epstein's and Weinstein's version of Talmudic Heaven
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
If the abused inevitably become abusers, I’d be a serial killer.
I will never forgive life for what my abuser did to me. He broke my bones. He choked me into unconsciousness so many times that with every subsequence action, I hoped to really die that time. But that was HIS fault, nobody else’s, except for my own…and I made it through.
It left me with fists that I was always prepared to use, but I never started a fistfight myself.
It was always reactionary.
So don’t try to sell us that tired old bullshit that Jews are reacting to the so-called Holocaust. They SHOULD be the kindest, most moral people in the world ( see, there’s this thang called “empathy”) and the vast majority of Jews in both IsraHell and Amerikkka support the genocide.
If you can’t risk making a fool of yourself, best to keep your trap shut.
I'm sorry you had to go through what you did. There's a saying in the Talmud, "God keeps close those he loves the best". The meaning of that is that through pain we learn empathy for others. I am sorry but with your level of hatred towards people you obviously don't know and know nothing about other than your prejudices I would say you're not healed. Hatred is not healing.
WHAT “god”?
Not everyone can recover from their abuse as you seem to have done. Some need help getting through it.
Then they clearly need to get help.
Anyways, I was referring to an entire demographic, not just individuals.
I do not see that people who have suffered serious abuse should be the kindest people in the world. I also underwent serious abuse as a child. I did not automatically become a kind and loving person. I was mostly a confused person until I got help. And it took a long time to recover.
It takes a lot of work and determination to get to a place where one can see the long line of abuse and pain that has happened before the abuser got to you. At some point we have to stop hating and work on understanding. Only then will the cycle be broken and maybe wars and hating will stop. There is no need to forgive our abusers. Only to understand how they got there so that maybe we can slow it down from happening more.
Again, Susan:
This thing called EMPATHY.
Why in hell would you want genocide against a population when your own people experienced it?
Jews should be the very people advocating AGAINST genocide.
WTF don’t you get?
I like and agree with most of what you wrote. But what is your definitionof Zionism? I believe it to be simply a desire to have a Jewish state? Am I wrong. Is it wrong to desire that in a world so rife with anti-semitism? And Jews have only been considered white since after WW2 because living in racist Amerika there were serious quotas on third world immigrants. Until then Jewish people were classified as "Orientals" (a racist term in itself). Jewish people, like Blacks, were forced out of their own country, the Blacks mainly kidnapped as slaves in the westm many women raped by white "masters" causing an intermixing of black and white and Judeans exiled by their occupier, Rome. Those exiled to Europe intermixed with Europeans, doesn't make them white. Many Jews can pass as white, but for many of us, we look "ethnic". I was born in NYC and alll my life I've been asked where I'm from.
You write:
>> "Jews have only been considered white since after WW2 because living in racist Amerika there were serious quotas on third world immigrants"
->Yes, this is true.
Ref: (1) Is the Jew White? The Racial Place of the Southern Jew (https://www.jstor.org/stable/23885563)
(2) Race, ethnicity, heritage and immigration among U.S. Jews (https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/race-ethnicity-heritage-and-immigration-among-u-s-jews/)
>> "Until then Jewish people were classified as "Orientals" (a racist term in itself)"
-> Yes, true - as explained in Edward W. Said's wonderful book "Orientalism"
Ref: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/355190.Orientalism
>> "Jewish people, like Blacks, were forced out of their own country, the Blacks mainly kidnapped as slaves in the westm many women raped by white "masters" causing an intermixing of black and white and Judeans exiled by their occupier, Rome."
-> Yes, also true
Ref: Jews & Blacks (Atlantic History) (https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/display/document/obo-9780199730414/obo-9780199730414-0254.xml)
First off, let me say that I really appreciate your comment. Thank you!
I agree with every single sentence in your above paragraph. Obviously, you have a good grasp on history - and everything you say is an accurate analysis (IMHO) and can be corroborated by facts.
Here is my definition of Zionism:
Zionism is a political movement hatched in the 19th century, inspired by European ethnic-nationlist & colonial movements of the time. These movements believed that every “nationality” must have a defined territory for its own exclusive use. So the Zionists decided that Jews everywhere were not actually nationals of their countries, but rather an entirely different national group who could never truly become French, English, or any other nationality. Thus, they believed that they should all leave and form their own state in Palestine, displacing the prior inhabitants.
Ha ha. Jews couldn’t truly become French or German or whatever they tried. History bears this out.
Yes - I know - they did try - and that is the tragedy - that all these Western countries that profess to care about human rights, freedom, democracy, etc. are the worst offenders of these ideals.
These Western countries, along with Jewish personalities such as Theodor Herzl, Leon Pinsker, etc. and later on British personalities such as Arthur Balfour, etc. had a vested interest in relocating the Jews to outside Europe.
Right on!
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I am sure their are many Jews who do not approve of what is going on in Israel, whether they live there or elsewhere. Although I would really like to hear there is a lot of outrage in Israel over this genocide.
That's a nice thought- but umfortunately for us it is exactly the kind of naive sentiment that has gotten us Goyim into such a terrible mess. It is time to face a very stark reality, or continue to stand aside, watching in horror as the Jews coninue their savage rampage from the river to the sea, and beyond. The truth is an overwhelming majority of Jews (81% according to recent Jewish Times poll) are enthusiastic supporters of the continued mass murder of innocents.
Happening in America, lot of marches lots of Jewish people marching against what is going on in Palestine, and I'm sure in Israel as well. Sometimes there is little to coverage of those who speak out. During the US wars, I marched, and marched, and too often not reported, Called and wrote and it seemed to make little difference as it did for so many.
In Grief And Under Pressure, A Growing Number Of American Jews Protest Israeli Military Action
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/israel-hamas-gaza-american-jews-protest-demonstrate-military-action_n_6542a229e4b06bc01e22c46c
Yes, I have seen this too. For example, Jewish Voices for Peace who have said “Never again means never again for ANYONE.
Thousands protest in Israel demanding captive release, government to resign
https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2024/1/6/thousands-protest-in-israel-demanding-captive-release-government-to-resign
Not the same thing, Fran.
These people only want a ceasefire in order to recover the “hostages”.
You’re “sure” of a “lot” aren’t you Fran.
You throw around meaningless terms like many, and alot, alot.
Do you feel verbally abused now, Fran?
Because, I’m not going along with your “opinion”?
You realize that this assault upon Palestine, by the Jewish state of Israel started 75+ years ago, not just this past fall, don’t you Fran?
Where have these many/alot of Jews who don’t approve of what Israel is doing AGAIN been hiding until now?
What is it that you say it is that makes one a Jew, Fran?
If I understood that, maybe I could make sense of what you are saying.
I am saying that the Jewish state of Israel has no right to exist.
It’s invention was a crime against the people already living there.
You aren’t pro-crime are you, Fran?
What if all Christians demanded a nation of their own?
Muslims?
Futball worshippers?
Do we displace, and kill all of the people located where those groups feel like settling, also?
Oops, sounds like the United States and Israel to me.
What does it sound like to you?
Are you capable of hearing, something besides the voice in your own head?
Questions are beautiful things.
You know fish you make a lot assumptions, and do you know what they say about people who do? They make an ass of themselves, and I guess it's already happened to you, since so much crap comes out your mouth. I'm a poet too, who knew.
Typical Fran, avoidance, non response, nonsense.
Fran, however, makes no assumptions.
She has all the facts.
I guess that you only approve of verbal abuse when you’re the one dishing it out, Fran.
You’d be amusing, if the subject matter wasn’t so serious, and deadly.
Hi Mike
I just declared the state of Michigan a place for horse-lovers only, where one is required to own one or more horses, since the noble horse constitutes a significant portion of my religion.
Everybody else….OUT.
Think that’ll work? 😉
Michigan?
The birthplace of the american auto industry?
I love it.
No owning horses though.
You and I don’t own other creatures, we just care for them, and befriend them.
We ain’t capitalists.
I know a four legged creature, and he’s the best friend I’ve got, and he knows it, cause I show it.
You’re idea has merit.
Just don’t bomb the current residents of Michigan into submission, ok.
That shit don’t work.
Some people are superior to others ---- isn't that obvious ?????
Cheap Real Estate to be available in Palestine for people who qualify !!!!
You are correct Fran. At the moment MSN is so bad on reporting protests. They don't want to hear Jewish people protesting.
Fran? Really.
Do you seriously believe that the IsraHelli government would allow such protests?
Yes, and many, no, most can't stand Netanyahu.
I think it was Max Blumenthal who said (& maybe Ali Abunimah too) that Israelis don't get to see the horrendous videos from Gaza that we in the West get to see & so aren't as well -informed as we are. Although I don't claim to know the truth & certainly do not want to excuse Zionists &/or Israelis in general, I must say this situation is clearly advantageous for Israeli propagandists who can point to large numbers (77-80%?) of Israelis who think the IDF isn't doing enough to destroy Hamas.
Then I wanna train my own eyes on the 19% who do NOT want the massacres.
I am not in favor of mass murder of innocents whatever label they may wear. But don't worry, no matter how hard they try, the Israelis could never even come close to the genocidal record that the Christians proudly wear.
You may not have the intellectual flexibility to reframe the context of your beliefs, but the truth is all 3 Judaic- Christian religions are constructs designed by the very same tribe, deliberately designed to perpetuate strife and to ultimately to set all other races against each other. Insidious control of others is the game.
But even putting that aside, Christianity pales in comparison to the Jews for historical body count, once you get through a few layers of their obsfucation of the facts, that is.
Buckle up- here's a little primer on just one epoch, if you dare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3mr0rsNyGs
Not really interested in engaging with anti-semitic mouthbeathers who seem to be Ms. Johnstone's new stock in trade. Disappointing to discover. The Jews comprise just 2% of the world population, Christians and Muslims - those who followed the Jews into patriarchal servitude, comprise just about half. The fact that so many can live in terror of so few is appalling/amazing,depressing. Is it our intelligence you fear? Most of us use it for good - like Jesus. Kind of like someone 10 feet tall fearing someone 4 feet tall. We must be very powerful..
you think I care what you think. That's hilarious.
"the Christians proudly wear" hey maybe not fall for reactionary bigotry in defense against bigotry - Israel (not to be confused with "the Jews") is still going to be leading the 21st century leaderboard for a while at this rate
And, the point is? Approve? They don't approve? This isn't a fucking fashion show. Jews who support one acre of Israel as Jewish State approve of ethnic cleansing and mowing the lawn. Good luck with your silliness
You can disagree all you want but that doesn't entitle you to attack me, or be abusive verbally.
I'm with you Fran. When people can't argue logically or their hatred clouds their critical thinking abilities, they use misplaced anger to attack others.
Logic.
Now that’s a hoot.
Thanks I appreciate your reponse.
Are you kidding? Thousands are being bombed in your name and mine, and this is it? Verbal abuse cop? Thanks for giving yet more fodder for more writing. Peace y paz.
Shkran.
Yeah, go figure a woman who doesn't want to be abused verbally for her expressed opinions by a man who feels he alone knows the truth. Amen! The end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I even had no connection to Fran as a woman. Alas, look me up .... Paul Haeder and Domestic Violence, on Gulag Google. Fran? I had no context for sure. I am not misogynist or misandrist... What the hell, this is fake community, Substack. Please, thicken thy skin.
From an atheist. In the Bible (I Timothy, 6:10) it is written "The love of money is the root of all Evil." And when Jesus fasted in the desert for 40 days, (Matthew 4:8, 4:9) "Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory." And Satan said, "All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”
https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2024/1/6/thousands-protest-in-israel-demanding-captive-release-government-to-resign
Thousands protest in Israel demanding captive release, government to resign
"Mass protests have taken place around Israel, with demonstrators calling for the return of Israeli captives held in Gaza, the removal of Prime Minister Netanyahu’s government and an end to the war in Gaza."
Now they are going to fight Hezbollah because Netanyahu doesn't want to go to Jail!
A lot of the Jewish people know this which is why they aree protesting.
No Fran, there are not. But some Jews in THIS country are among the leading dissidents against the war: Medea Benjamin, Phil Weiss, Norman Finkelstein, Alison Weir.
To whom I’m forever grateful.
Yes, and there are other people, not well known, who are Jewish and are against this war, young and old, and they have made their voices heard, in America, around the world and in Israel. They have marched against the genocide in Gaza and I've seen it. While people voice their contempt for the prejudice against Palestinians, and what helps drive this genocide they turn around and make anti-Semitic remarks.
well said- important distinction to understand.
There is some, and perhaps you would like to see more, and so would I. Perhaps they are not covering it. During America's middle eastern wars many were involved in the anti-war movement, as was I. Did we get coverage, some, initially, then it kind of went down hill. There were marches that went unreported, and then the media adopted the pro-war policies of the administration. The media by and large is a mouth piece for one party or another in America.
It's true, dissent can be drowned out a number of ways to where it's barely or not even perceivable.
No, being Jewish does not make one a Zionist, and given that there are in fact more Christian Zionists than there are Israelis, being a Zionist certainly does not make one a Jew.
I am neither, but I'm not about to sit here and let Jews like Norman Finkelstein, Max Blumenthal, Russell Dobular and Keaton Weiss be smeared with what has clearly become the blood libel of being labeled a Zionist.
I didn’t hear/read anyone labeling/libeling Max Blumenthal et al as being Zionist, Christian, Jewish, or otherwise.
You made it up.
I am genuinely unaware of the meaning of “blood libel”, and how it differs from just plain libel.
If you would be willing to elaborate, I would appreciate it.
Personally, I think that Max tears it up, and provides great journalism at the Grayzone.
So much venom at posters here, and not nearly as much towards Israel and it’s protagonists .
That seems screwed up to me.
I didn't say he had been. Nonetheless, I know that Max Blumenthal is an anti-Zionist Jews, and when all Jews are painted with the same genocidal Zionist brush that endangers Jews like Blumenthal, for whom I have great respect as both a journalist and just a man of conscience.
"Blood libel" refers to when the medieval Catholic Church told people that Jews killed Christian babies to use their blood in dark rituals. It was a great way to start a pogram and distract the peasants from the doings of Church and nobility.
Israelis and their Zionist supporters have been accusing anyone who says Israel is committing genocide of blood libel, most recently the South African government when it filed suit against Israel in the International Court of Justice, accusing Israel of genocide.
If all Jews are tainted by what Israel is doing, then there's a danger of REAL anti-Semitism rearing its ugly head, and I don't want to see that happen.
Thank you for the explanation of blood libel.
That’s disgusting.
I don’t know about that semitism, anti or otherwise.
I have heard that Palestinians, at least some of them, are Semitic, so I’m not anti-Semitic as far as I’m concerned.
I’m anti-Israel though.
The creation of that enterprise, at the expense of the people already living there, is not something I can countenance.
Let’s just hope that the shooting, and bombing, and killing stops.
Soon.
Now, preferably.
Then maybe we can figure shit out, and give the peace loving people there a break, at long last.
Max and Aaron were great on Friday.
Mintpress was even more moving.
If you didn’t have the opportunity to watch it, I encourage you to do so.
Have a pleasant, productive, peaceful day, please, you barbarian you.
Oh, Mister Fish. You are in the sandbox of, well, as they say, Substack Crusaders. It's the same over at Sheer Post. Amazing amounts of nuancing and parsing, finding a semite here and an anti-semite there, all thise bravado and hair splitting.
And someone is "reporting" you to who? Is this the Good German thing we all know about.
Finkelstein was on Russell's show, and he stated how his father told Norman about a great book he read, by a Russian, and told Norman that this is the truth -- The Russian historian slash writer never referred to those in Germany Nazis. He hated the Germans. You know, it was a Nazi State, and alas, Norman was taken aback but understands this.
Russell mention something as a Devil's advocate to Norman around the issue of "are you seeing that anti-semitism is being grafted onto this genocide Israel is undertaking?"
Old Norm clarified and stated that it's a natural spillover that good people might equate what the Jewish State of Jewish Israel is doing (every branch of anything in Isra-Hell has that religious emblem everywhere) to Palestinians as what Jews worldwide advocate and agree with. He's certainly clear that the number of women and babies and children killed compared to supposed military militants is the worse ratio in this century and most of the last part of the 20th century.
He's not worried about anti-semitism spillover. He also mention Graham Greene's novel, the Ugly American, making the point that it wasn't called "The Ugly CIA" or "The Ugly American Army."
It is death and dying in the time of the ugly Jew. SOrt of a Marquez novel, "One Hundred Years of Nakba" never made into a movie by you know who who controls Hollywood and the media, in their own words.
So, welcome to the mud pit of Substack railing and dancing and massive comments threads and, well, Mister Fish, you read and comment on my Substack and have read my more traditional journalism and my books, so you might get me better than a Substack armchair hero. You've even met me in person for weeks on end, and took a Zoom part of a face-to-face class.
You know who Paulo is -- AKA Paul K. Haeder, or Paul Haeder. In the olden days of the Jewish Project Google, I'd get so many more hits putting my real name in the Gulag Machine of Google.
But, those who control the data, control the world (since data is worth more than gold and oil and food and water and land -- or that is, data can control all of those and more) , so yep, we are just subjects, less than serfs, to the Blinken's and Soros's and Larry Finks of the world.
Is someone really reporting you? What does that mean when someone states that on Substack Crap Landia?
Is that Mossad? FBI? My Jurez Cartel buddies? THe Banditos I did stories about? SHit, scares the shit out of me, man. Almost as bad as being banned by Fucker-Berg-Book and his Mossad-CIA-Jewish Unsocial media outfit, Meta or some such fucked up place.
https://paulokirk.substack.com/p/evil-in-t-shirt-a-la-zelensky-and
Pure evil, Caitlin stated nice family man Blinken is. Shit, there goes the neighborhood!
Cuz you all hate Jews and you are getting really confused!
Most of the people who comment on the internet are too young to be familiar with the history of anti-Semitism, which led to the creation of a state for Jews.
What bullshit. Are you talking about five-year-olds?
Ever heard of WORLD HISTORY classes, Deena?
this is the number one source of traction for those who would conflate anti-zionism with anti-semitism, you're doing the thing
But pointing this out gets radical commies like me sent to FuckYouBook jail and labeled anti Judaica.... Those who control the narrative and data, control the world. Wish I was a Rothschild.....
Old Jacob in his castle looked like a cockroach to me.
so go be a Rothschild.
I tried, but Jews-Only Need Apply: Also, communists need to go the back of the Wailing Wall and Await the Snipers.
https://paulokirk.substack.com/p/ahh-that-jewish-wish-if-i-was-a-rothschild
Oh you know the Talmud?