This is interesting that even when one is helping their country implement a genocide one must be careful to follow religious law and they are going to set up a rabbinical court to make it easy on woman should their husbands die so they can get them a quick get. Thoughtful
"Israel to set up special rabbinical court for religious divorce during war: Report
The court, announced by Israel’s chief rabbi David Lau, will help women who have lost husbands in the Gaza war, streamline divorce proceedings, the Jerusalem Post reports.
Under Jewish religious law, there are stringent conditions for divorce, including for the husband to present a final bill of divorce, called a get. Without this document, women are left in limbo, unable to remarry. The restriction does not apply to men who have lost their wives."
In special circumstances, such as the death of a husband, religious courts can bypass the document and grant a divorce themselves, but they are often wary of doing so.
Not all Jews are supporting the genocide. And within the Judaic religion, there are many variations and interpretations. Most of the major religions extant have many different types of denominations and moral views - some more orthodox than others.
It's like the cretin Macron - many in France still see him as some kind of savior on the Left. Others, dislike his decisions even though they remain in the same party.
We must be careful of generalizing an entire group of people (or religion) like the Israelis have done to the Palestinians - just because they happen to be stuck in a place and time and subject to brainwashing not of their choosing. Also, one sex is not superior to another sex.
Hang on. You are 'generalizing' about the French. FYI Macron is NOT left. I wish you American could distinguish between right and left. He is to the left of Joe Biden. We have many party's in France!
Off the bat I can't recall anyone else here on this forum constantly bringing up their place of residence pointing at its superiority and supremacy. France is nothing special, Jenny. By this point you should have understood.
That's of course if you thought people were equal. Which French never did. But you're not even French, are you?
Well, just interesting no matter the religion, Jewish, Catholic, whatever. It's seems strange that one is meticulous about following the tenants of one's religious doctrines as a genocide is taking place in your country.
I think many people's sense of self worth and identity become tied to their belief systems and what they think this life we are living is all about. It can be difficult to free oneself from "oneself". Caitlin has written about this need for self-realization. Maybe what is happening here is consciousness is trying to learn. Many spiritual traditions view earth as a kind of school.
But maybe the nihilists are right. Life is just an accidental farce, and free-will is a fantasy and when it comes down to it, we're all just biological automatons in a universe that couldn't really give a damn if we existed or not.
I sure don't have the answers to this. I'm not some kind of all knowing guru. I do draw a redline though when it comes to genocide - for whatever raison d'etres are obscenely used to justify mass murder, whether it comes from religion or secularism.
Well, my parents were raised Catholic but they didn't raise us Catholic, so in that regard I'm on my own. Good. I always thought war was crazy, I mean grown ups killing each other, and I couldn't give my brother a smack when he broke my toys. I don't think of life as a farce, and although not raised in any religious faith I always thought I had a soul that didn't belong to me, and the only thing I had to do was protect it, and let it guide me in my perception of things, and it certainly is loud and clear about war. There was a clip on Aljazeera of a child, no more then 10, 11, or 13. She was in the hospital with a leg amputated, alone, her father, mother and siblings all gone. She said she wanted to be a doctor and care about people when she grew up, but that won't happen because she died. I'm glad nothing life that is on my soul.
My biological parents were catholic. Though in my later youth I was raised in foster homes. Yes - war makes no sense, and you don't need to believe in anything "spiritual" for it not to make any sense. One can be a secularist and still believe war is senseless. Genocide even more senseless.
Very sad about the Palestinian child. The question of suffering is a central motif in most theological traditions. Has been answered in many various ways. The secularists also come up with answers for suffering as well. Just the fact we are all alive for a relatively short period of years - allowed to love and feel attached to life, but then be put away forever - it's sometimes hard to take any of it seriously. However, if life itself is a kind of "play" or as Shakespeare might have said "all the world is a stage" - then perhaps what is perceived as tragedy is not really a tragedy once a "soul" leaves the stage. Then some of the suffering would make more sense - at least to me. But who knows the truth of it? Maybe consciousness is just a random event - and we are lucky to experience a brief existence just for a moment and then are extinguished forever. Sad if true. Reminds me of a quote by Marcus Aurelius: "It were well to die if there be gods, and sad to live if there be none."
I always adopted a who knows who cares attitude about God, when one night I was driving home and under an el train I felt the presence of God. There is more to the telling, but I asked why so much suffering in this world, and the answer was there would be much less if we realized although the body may die the soul lives on, but not for everyone, since many lose it along the way. There was a lot more, All my life I've had spiritual experiences, and many are very concrete. I have had many experiences in which I knew things that could not have been known if the world as defined by science is an absolute given.
Just seemed odd that at the time their country is perpetrating a genocide, killing so many women and children, easy targets, and so vulnerable they should be concerned about gets.
I agree. But how do we solve the conflict by insisting on ignoring 100 years of Arab intransigence and violence? And will the west admit its own responsibilities here?
Intransigence? As in hey, that’s my farm, my family has tilled that soil for centuries. You can’t have it no matter what the effing British say. Ooo. I see you just shot all my animals and burned down my olive tress. Well yes, I guess I’ll go. But I’ll be back. And intransigent.
What Arab intransigence are you referring to, since your statement is all inclusive when it comes to Arabs, kind of like talking about all blacks being the same. Paddy your statement sounds highly prejudicial. I don't know if you are an American, or if you are Israeli, and if you are an American you should be very concerned about America's violence past and present on a world wide level either overtly through our many wars, or covertly through the activities of the CIA. if Israeli, be concerned about a genocide now being implemented by them not only in Gaza, but the West Bank as well, Israel cares little about who dies in their genocidal attack in Gaza, , men, women, children. Also reflect back on their history and be concerned about a Jewish state given the land of the Palestinians and through the years killing them off, remember reading about the Nakba? I guess people get tired of being locked up in an outdoor concentration camp with no sense of a future experiencing the absolute contempt of the people who put them there and who see them as subhuman. It is not the Arabs I am worried about.
This is interesting that even when one is helping their country implement a genocide one must be careful to follow religious law and they are going to set up a rabbinical court to make it easy on woman should their husbands die so they can get them a quick get. Thoughtful
"Israel to set up special rabbinical court for religious divorce during war: Report
The court, announced by Israel’s chief rabbi David Lau, will help women who have lost husbands in the Gaza war, streamline divorce proceedings, the Jerusalem Post reports.
Under Jewish religious law, there are stringent conditions for divorce, including for the husband to present a final bill of divorce, called a get. Without this document, women are left in limbo, unable to remarry. The restriction does not apply to men who have lost their wives."
In special circumstances, such as the death of a husband, religious courts can bypass the document and grant a divorce themselves, but they are often wary of doing so.
Not all Jews are supporting the genocide. And within the Judaic religion, there are many variations and interpretations. Most of the major religions extant have many different types of denominations and moral views - some more orthodox than others.
It's like the cretin Macron - many in France still see him as some kind of savior on the Left. Others, dislike his decisions even though they remain in the same party.
We must be careful of generalizing an entire group of people (or religion) like the Israelis have done to the Palestinians - just because they happen to be stuck in a place and time and subject to brainwashing not of their choosing. Also, one sex is not superior to another sex.
Hang on. You are 'generalizing' about the French. FYI Macron is NOT left. I wish you American could distinguish between right and left. He is to the left of Joe Biden. We have many party's in France!
I've been to France, Jenny, as well as many other places. Nothing special about it. Would you quit flaunting it?
RB, I believe Jenny was correctly pointing out that “left” in Europe is on a completely different scale than “left” in Amerikkka.
“Right” Europe is more equivalent to “Left” in the United Snakes.
If I’m correct, Jenny isn’t French by birth, I believe that she moved there.
Thanks Gypsy. We have ddo have extreme right wing partys too. + Socialists and communists.
Well done Russian bot. You do not live here I do.
Don't talk to me about 'flaunting' it should be interesting!
Off the bat I can't recall anyone else here on this forum constantly bringing up their place of residence pointing at its superiority and supremacy. France is nothing special, Jenny. By this point you should have understood.
That's of course if you thought people were equal. Which French never did. But you're not even French, are you?
Russian bot. I only bring it up because MOST people on here are American.
OK
You must be feeling inadequate or something!
What does me NOT being French have to do with anything?
Want to label me and put me in a box?
What the hell does russian-bot mean? You keep using this!
It's hard to know these days - but he sold himself as a man for the people, of which he is not.
Who did?
Well, just interesting no matter the religion, Jewish, Catholic, whatever. It's seems strange that one is meticulous about following the tenants of one's religious doctrines as a genocide is taking place in your country.
I think many people's sense of self worth and identity become tied to their belief systems and what they think this life we are living is all about. It can be difficult to free oneself from "oneself". Caitlin has written about this need for self-realization. Maybe what is happening here is consciousness is trying to learn. Many spiritual traditions view earth as a kind of school.
But maybe the nihilists are right. Life is just an accidental farce, and free-will is a fantasy and when it comes down to it, we're all just biological automatons in a universe that couldn't really give a damn if we existed or not.
I sure don't have the answers to this. I'm not some kind of all knowing guru. I do draw a redline though when it comes to genocide - for whatever raison d'etres are obscenely used to justify mass murder, whether it comes from religion or secularism.
Well, my parents were raised Catholic but they didn't raise us Catholic, so in that regard I'm on my own. Good. I always thought war was crazy, I mean grown ups killing each other, and I couldn't give my brother a smack when he broke my toys. I don't think of life as a farce, and although not raised in any religious faith I always thought I had a soul that didn't belong to me, and the only thing I had to do was protect it, and let it guide me in my perception of things, and it certainly is loud and clear about war. There was a clip on Aljazeera of a child, no more then 10, 11, or 13. She was in the hospital with a leg amputated, alone, her father, mother and siblings all gone. She said she wanted to be a doctor and care about people when she grew up, but that won't happen because she died. I'm glad nothing life that is on my soul.
My biological parents were catholic. Though in my later youth I was raised in foster homes. Yes - war makes no sense, and you don't need to believe in anything "spiritual" for it not to make any sense. One can be a secularist and still believe war is senseless. Genocide even more senseless.
Very sad about the Palestinian child. The question of suffering is a central motif in most theological traditions. Has been answered in many various ways. The secularists also come up with answers for suffering as well. Just the fact we are all alive for a relatively short period of years - allowed to love and feel attached to life, but then be put away forever - it's sometimes hard to take any of it seriously. However, if life itself is a kind of "play" or as Shakespeare might have said "all the world is a stage" - then perhaps what is perceived as tragedy is not really a tragedy once a "soul" leaves the stage. Then some of the suffering would make more sense - at least to me. But who knows the truth of it? Maybe consciousness is just a random event - and we are lucky to experience a brief existence just for a moment and then are extinguished forever. Sad if true. Reminds me of a quote by Marcus Aurelius: "It were well to die if there be gods, and sad to live if there be none."
I always adopted a who knows who cares attitude about God, when one night I was driving home and under an el train I felt the presence of God. There is more to the telling, but I asked why so much suffering in this world, and the answer was there would be much less if we realized although the body may die the soul lives on, but not for everyone, since many lose it along the way. There was a lot more, All my life I've had spiritual experiences, and many are very concrete. I have had many experiences in which I knew things that could not have been known if the world as defined by science is an absolute given.
How can one get a divorce if the husband is dead?
Well, it says she is free to remarry,and no marital ties.
But but her husband is DEAD!
I'm not Jewish, but from what I was told that's how I interpreted what was meant. I am not Jewish so I will never go to get a get.
Divorced once from a brutal husband who is still alive with a new heart!!!!
Sorry, but that made me laugh. Well, now he has a lot in common with Cheney, a new heart and he's the same old bastard.
LOL
“... to make it easy on woman should their husbands die so they can get them a quick get.”
That has always been Jewish law. See the story of Bathsheba.
Just seemed odd that at the time their country is perpetrating a genocide, killing so many women and children, easy targets, and so vulnerable they should be concerned about gets.
I agree. But how do we solve the conflict by insisting on ignoring 100 years of Arab intransigence and violence? And will the west admit its own responsibilities here?
Fuck that shit.
Intransigence? As in hey, that’s my farm, my family has tilled that soil for centuries. You can’t have it no matter what the effing British say. Ooo. I see you just shot all my animals and burned down my olive tress. Well yes, I guess I’ll go. But I’ll be back. And intransigent.
What Arab intransigence are you referring to, since your statement is all inclusive when it comes to Arabs, kind of like talking about all blacks being the same. Paddy your statement sounds highly prejudicial. I don't know if you are an American, or if you are Israeli, and if you are an American you should be very concerned about America's violence past and present on a world wide level either overtly through our many wars, or covertly through the activities of the CIA. if Israeli, be concerned about a genocide now being implemented by them not only in Gaza, but the West Bank as well, Israel cares little about who dies in their genocidal attack in Gaza, , men, women, children. Also reflect back on their history and be concerned about a Jewish state given the land of the Palestinians and through the years killing them off, remember reading about the Nakba? I guess people get tired of being locked up in an outdoor concentration camp with no sense of a future experiencing the absolute contempt of the people who put them there and who see them as subhuman. It is not the Arabs I am worried about.