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Contrarian 33's avatar

Chang,

I had always hoped that Russia would come to the party and sign some form of agreement to support Iran in case of attack by the parasites. But it didn't happen then and is unlikely to happen now.

Here’s a short clip of John Mearsheimer stating.......

“I think there’s no question that a nuclear-armed Iran would bring stability to the region, because nuclear weapons are weapons of peace, weapons of deterrents…. And if Iran had a nuclear deterrent, there’s no way that the United States or Israel would be threatening to attack Iran, in the same way that if Saddam had had nuclear weapons in 2003, the US would not have invaded Iraq. And if Libya had nuclear weapons in 2011, the US would not have gone to war against Libya. If you had a Middle East where other countries had nuclear weapons besides Israel, you have a more peaceful Middle East."

Sound thinking and hopefully 'on the table'.

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Holly's avatar

Russia tried. Iran turned it down. Nuclear arms violate their tenets of Islam. I agree with you, but it wasn't Russia's fault. As much as I loathe the idea of even more nuclear weapons, I don't see what else Iran could do at this point. I hope secretly they're doing something. Meanwhile, Pakistan has vowed to come to their aid and I'm sure if it came to that Russia would do what it could. Or China, for that matter. Iran is not without friends.

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

Pakistan and Iran were throwing missiles at one another a year ago. The statement Pakistan made was more a warning to Israel rather than a defense of Iran. However the real answer is much more nuanced than vowing to come to Iran's aid.

China is suppose to have delivered several batteries of its IAD systems to Iran. Some suggest Iran's IAD was not effective during the 12 day war. Others say it was.

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Landru's avatar

The problem with defensive missile batteries, israeli software attacks. Eight hrs. and systems on with help of Russian techs. Iran's biggest problem was thinking a peace with the West was possible, never was. War with China and Iran is in the way, that was and is the priority. End Stage Capitalism demands it.

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

In the bitchute link I posted about Ryan Dawson @ about 34 minutes Johnson talks about how Iran has forced Israel into the ceasefire. He believes it will hold because Iran is supposed to have 10000 or more missiles built and stored underground so western intelligence has no data.

Israel’s initial success was more because of its vast network of sabotage agents. They have now been exposed and eliminated. There are many analysts who declare that the IDF never entered Iranian airspace.

We have no insight to confirm or deny. It’s a propaganda war.

For those who want to see Israel destroyed you will appreciate Johnson’s take on events.

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martin's avatar

well, there's article 3.3 of the iranian–russian treaty on comprehensive strategic partnership, which could be interpreted as an impediment on the resumption and continuation of us-russia trade that russia seems to want so much (i do hope they're faking that).

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"Russia tried. Iran turned it down."

That is ONE narrative. But does ANYONE really know what is TRULY happening behind-the-scenes (i.e. behind closed doors)?

Hence I question the analysis of SO MANY supposed 'YouTube pundits', experts, retired so-and-so govt. personalities, etc.

I think the reality of such 'geopolitical diplomacy' is far more complex and nuanced then the 'simple narratives' that are proffered by so many 'professionals and experts' and believed by the general public.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

C33, John Mearsheimer's analysis seems sound (and something I would like to believe). But I believe the U.S. Empire is a ROGUE STATE currently that is engulfed in its own 'American Exceptionalism' hubris - and I question the assumption/supposition/hypothesis that the U.S. would not use nukes on another country that is armed with nukes.

Mearsheimer's analysis would have held up under most conditions of 'normal great power politics', but I feel we are in a NEW ERA - a dangerous era - one in which the U.S. Emire is DESPERATELY attempting to hold onto its 'power and status' of past in an environment that is increasingly hostile and challenging to its existence.

I don't consider the U.S. Empire to be a RATIONAL actor currently, hence I am thinking along the lines of 'all bets are off' and 'there are NO rules or international-based-order'. In such an enviornment, it is hard for me to predict (or have faith in predictions about) what the U.S. Empire might ACTUALLY do...

I like John Mearsheimer's analysis. My issue with him/his analysis is that he is VERY MUCH a product of the U.S./Western way of thinking about the world - hence I am more cautious about his assessments.

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Contrarian 33's avatar

Chang,

"and I question the assumption/supposition/hypothesis that the U.S. would not use nukes on another country that is armed with nukes."

You are probably just a month ahead of my thinking on this subject. Yes he is a 'product of the US/Western way of thinking' and I do keep on forgetting that fact as well.

I am just an incurable optimist with lots of friends in those United States. That is an influence on one's thinking. They are always there through emails and the like.

I've said it before and I'll say it again for the last time. The world has never seen the reaction of the American people to a serious threat. Do they ignore the threat to their lives, continue on as before with an optimistic outlook knowing (thinking) they are safe from harm .....or will they become panic stricken and 'head for the hills' from a city like New York if threatened by a nuclear capable submarine.

They have never been challenged in this way. Other than Pearl Harbour, a long way away from a civilian population of any size, they have never been challenged at all. Yes, we did see some level of concern in the Cuban Missile crisis which was managed well by JFK and ceased to remain a problem. We therefore do not know the influence they would have on an Israeli controlled government in Washington.

The USA Knesset.

The great unknown.

A crowd-funded pair of Chinese nuclear armed submarines in the ocean off New York would be something of a test case.

Yes, I know. I have suggested this before. But it may have the desired result with the expulsion of criminal Zionists, disloyal fellow travellers, corrupted politicians and blackmailed White House residents from the USA allowing the same USA to start all over again with some down-to-earth Amendments in their beloved but outdated Constitution. (Freedom of speech; one person, one vote; no corrupt funding of politicians) ......and on it goes. (far too many to mention)

Finally to top it off.....the big finger to Israel's worldwide antiSemitism campaign and a black mark against those weak Western governments who have taken action in their support of this, the latest Israeli planned Zionist circus event (marketing campaign,) a.k.a. yet another distraction to genocide and ethnic cleansing on a grand scale. A shameful state, Israel.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

>>"The world has never seen the reaction of the American people to a serious threat."

Amen to that! I couldn't agree more with you on that. AFAIK, the American mainland (contiguous 48 states) has never been BOMBED or ATTACKED by an 'external' military threat. I don't think the U.S. is prepared (due to its hubris) for an attack from external sources (I don't see Mexico or Canada attacking the U.S.).

If anything, I believe the U.S. Empire is most likely to be destroyed by INTERNAL forces (as I find that scenario more plausible than anything else).

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Positively Paying It Forward's avatar

We may get to parity soon and peace therefore would be welcome.

Been too long.

Two opposing “bullies” sometimes is all you need.

Alex Krainer at substack.com

Offered an encouraging perspective:

https://open.substack.com/pub/trendcompass/p/defeat-of-the-wests-strategy-of-chaos?r=rc3yr&utm_medium=ios

Or this yoo-toob: by Danny Haiphong

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=srapdMxAEP4&pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD

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