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JohnOnKaui's avatar

Yes, you protested.

Yet, for example, Hillary still was allowed to bomb Libya and destroy that nation-state. I'm an American who has also protested. Yet I haven't done enough to remove the Oligarchy from its position of privilege.

I accept responsibility for my failures.

You should too.

The Ritter podcast I referenced is full of complications on other subjects including how neocon greed is responsible for fomenting conflicts all over the world.

The solution is simple. Destroy the Oligarchy.

How to do it is complicated.

Sadly though, few want to identify who the Oligarchy is. People use euphemisms to talk about Oligarchs as if there are some on "our side" and some on "their side" (Biden supporters vs Trump Supporters for example). No recognition that the Oligarchy is a loosely organized mafia that only cares about its own greed. We don't discuss the system in which America operates.

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notBob's avatar

It is disingenuous to suggest that average Americans have any impact on the oligarchs and their machinations. The ability to control that class was lost long ago.

From international movement, foreign influence peddling, bribery, blackmail and generally profiteering off of the pain and suffering f humanity they have buttressed their defenses on all fronts.

You said: The solution is simple. Destroy the Oligarchy. How to do it is complicated.

Yes it is complicated if not downright impossible, look at the results of the ICC case against Israeli genocide, similar cases against US war crimes have also failed to make a difference. I don't see how it can be ended without 1) a complete collapse of the dollar and 2) civil war.

Our nation is run by a criminal mafia who has used every tool at its disposal to prevent any challenge to its authority.

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JennyStokes's avatar

I have ONE question?

How did this supposed democracy become a war-mongering empire?

I suggest that the American people are complicit in the demise of your 'light on the shining hill!'

Since Reagan you all forgot to vote/you shopped till you dropped. You believed in the American Dream like it would last forever.

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Jeano's avatar

Plus PNAC.

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ChazLB's avatar

There is no more voting that matters..the systems so rigged in so many multiple ways i could list REAMS of examples from just my experiences.. just simple polling places that are more sparse in places they know will vote a certain way so that lines stretched blocks till people could not do it in 110 degree weather...PLANED by officials with a million excuses for why..and yet anyone with any savy knows exactly why ...ONE example of many sneaky underhanded tricks they use ..

No voting is a illusion and the only reason its encouraged so you sign and date the legal documents of the civil contract that you agree to abide by the dictates of their installed puppets ...two slices of the same shit sandwich

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

"It is disingenuous to suggest that average Americans have any impact on the oligarchs and their machinations."

I see. You've given up. I don't hold that against you.

The dollar will not collapse in my lifetime.

I don't see Civil War on the horizon.

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notBob's avatar

If you don;t see either solution I noted then we are destined for a lifetime of oligarch rule and never ending war.

diu pati American imperium

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

Well, we have to destroy the Oligarchy. There should be plenty of other options.

They are revealing themselves for what they are. Other nation-states are not following in their path. Putin and Xi are showing "other options". Would you prefer their choices to the Oligarchy?

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notBob's avatar

Putin and Xi both seem to be pursuing the two options I detailed earlier, collapse of the dollar would be the direct result of a successful BRICS. Mass illegal immigration will result in civil war if not straight up foreign war inside the US.

Other nations are not pursuing the globalist agenda ? I beg to differ, exactly which nations outside of the Russia alliances has not implemented globalist strategies ? We see civil unrest and violent reactions to the globalist agenda turned into local law in almost every European nation.

Seriously, where do you see nations not pursing the oligarchs agenda ?

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JohnOnKaui's avatar

A multipolar world does not -require- collapse of the dollar.

We're saying "BRICS" but there are many other economic and political organizations. The EAEU, the SCO, the SCMO (I think that's it).

If it weren't for the greed of the neocon Oligarchy, the SWIFT system would have been more than adequate.

Let us define the word "globalist". In the context here, it has no meaning for me.

Russia and China have political leadership that has taken control of the Oligarchy that exists there. There are articles about how Putin made a deal with the Russian Oligarchs that went something like, "you don't give me problems, I won't give you problems". Navalny gave Putin problems.

The Chinese economy is "state-directed" but only to a degree. The USSR tried to determine everything and so it failed. China decided to let a little capitalism in. That lead to Chinese Oligarchs, but look what happened to Jack Ma when his ventures threatened the Chinese economy. Look at what happened to Evergrande. Compare that to the 2008 US economic crisis that resulted in bailing out the Oligarchy at the expense of the "rest of us". China has eliminated extreme poverty. 800M souls saved. The USA continues to funnel wealth to the Oligarchy.

There are dozens of nations that are not pursuing the Oligarchy's agenda. Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, South Africa.

The American Empire is beginning to fail because the world is rejecting Neo-Colonialism and because they have other options. The best example is the Chinese BRI. However Russia was highly instrumental in kicking the French out of Africa (not entirely) Pregozin (spelling) and Wagner PMC were heavily involved in that success.

There's a whole spectrum of options and it is multi-dimensional.

The only Oligarchy that needs to be destroyed is in the USA. They still live in some fantasy world where the USA can kick ass no matter what. They control the US political leadership. And they are mostly Jews who exercise that control through AIPAC.

Please, I did not say that there is a Jewish conspiracy to control the world. Mate, Blumenthal and a host of others oppose the Zionist agenda.

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chris leeds's avatar

Unfortunately it nearly always takes a war, revolution or massive economic collapse to get rid of a rotten regime - in other words things have to get worse before they get better. The UK is like the US - a very entrenched system of oligarchy, manufactured consent, fake elections and corporate manipulation with foreign policy set in motion by a very small number of politicians who are completely beholden to (or simply agree with) their financial backers who actually dictate policy.

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martin's avatar

revolution will be violent (civil war) not because the revolting class wants it, but because the ruling class will not be able to resist the use of their favorite tool.

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Bernadene Zennie's avatar

How to do it (What needs to be done) is not complicated to understand …but easy to say, hard to do: Stop cooperating. There are more of us than them -stop buying into the bullshit of divide and conquer.WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE!!!

If they have no one to do their bidding, they can’t fucking do their shit. Period! that’s it that’s all. there’s a big effing reason why the WWW-workers of the world, and the wobblies were dismantled and made powerless. Socialism at the time was a legitimate thing and up-and-coming thing. There were socialist mayors all over this fucking country, and other people in power . And Eugene V Debs one of the MOST FAMOUS was put into prison for a bullshit reason, why he was economically, publicly everything but physically, (maybe) tortured and blacklisted and lied about and made impotent. Dude ran for president from prison and got 1 million votes in fucking 1920s! At about that same time, US Marine lieutenant, a decorated veteran of World War I , colonel Smedley Butler wrote a book called “WAR IS A RACKET”. All of this power and knowledge had to fucking be put to sleep and be done AWAY with -no way the empire was gonna put up with this crazymaking!And our predecessors were none the wiser. End of story.FOR NOW.

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Pertinent Chatter's avatar

"If they have no one to do their bidding, they can’t fucking do their shit." -- this explains the open border and migration crisis.

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Bernadene Zennie's avatar

This is not what I meant and you know it. You must be the Emperor of the fucking world of the out of context specious posters. Zio fascist troll robot right wing goofball, idiot. Do you think I don’t know what you just did? I do go the fuck away, don’t listen to my podcast. Don’t post on my shit OK GTFO.

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ChazLB's avatar

I liked your rant here Bernadene

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Patricia's avatar

Thank you John

You have called out a singular definition that haunts us and continue to haunt us until we acknowledge it as the problem:

Namely the attempt to sidestep the pernicious oligarchy and how we have allowed it to control our government and enslave us in every way possible.

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