Caitlin - really surprised and disappointed that you followed the corporate media and Democrats in focusing on the Jan 6 riot and totally missing the real Trump crimes.
The Jan. 6 farce - what you also incorrectly called an "insurrection" - was not Trump's crime. It was planning a coup. It was cheating and lying and conducting a conspiracy to reverse the electoral college votes. Read the indictment - it's all written down in the Eastman Memo and the "Wisconsin Memo". Republicans have implemented that strategy in dozens of State's and laid the foundation for '24 electoral thefts.
These are not trivial partisan matters.
When taken in the context of the rising right wing Christian Nationalist fascist cultural movement Trump is a symptom of, we risk actual consolidation of Fascist politics and government. WAKE UP!
I read the indictments and didn't see how this will doing anything but elect Trump. The only possible crime other than speech COULD be IF Trump pressured the Sec. of State to change ballots. Requesting a look into 11,000 votes has already been illegal, Bush , Florida. As much as I consider Trump part of the problem this will only make him President again. West 24
You are lying. Trump did not "request a look into" votes. In George, Trump demanded that SoS "find" 11,780 votes 9the margin to win) and threaten legal retaliation if that was not done.
From your political perspective, which I disagree with because it elevates partisan plots above the Constitution, the way to not promote Trump's election is prosecution for insurrection. Ralph Nader explains how to do that here:
When you talk like that to someone it means you DON'T want discussion. We shall see. I could care less which do nothing party wins. I will vote for Cornel , the only person against war, pro worker, education and healthcare. This will play out as with the Russiagate hoax. The Democant's could easily have impeached Trump for financial fraud however they would have all had to go to prison because they are all criminals minus the few.
Once a critical mass is in the streets, and the government has lost legitimacy, there is a tipping point and the police stand down or they join the protesters - and the government falls.
It doesn't take that much - a few hundred thousands in the streets of the largest cities, shutting down the economy, until the government surrenders. Think of Occupy Wall Street, times 1000 - or the Vietnam and recent women's marches, but sustained for weeks..
Yes, and the various militia's and bikers and NRA and related heavily armed gun nuts.
That's the point: we're on the edge and it can go either way. That makes it all the more important not to abdicate and allow the fascists to consolidate power.
The Democrats can't make this argument (about the delay objective of the Jan. 6 riot) because it would undermine the legal basis of the indictments regarding Trump's criminal intent, in that it would support the notion that Trump truly believed in his lawyers' legal arguments and was seeking a legal over-ruling of the election results.
But this is what really happened. If you Google, you will find quotes from Clarence Thomas' wife even bragging that this was the strategy and that they had filed a brief to the Supreme Court that was in possession of Justice Alito, who pocketed it after the riot failed.
The "insurrection" was a riot designed to delay congressional certification of the electoral college vote. Trump wanted delay so he could convince a Republican state to reject certification and/or the Supreme Court to hear the case that Eastman's legal theory asserted.
The far bigger crime was the coup strategy. Thankfully, while that has not gotten the Dems or news focus, it is in the indictment. Ralph Nader argues that the DoJ could go further and seek insurrection charges. I agree.
The Democrats can't make this argument because it would undermine the legal basis of the indictments regarding Trump's criminal intent, in that it would support the notion that Trump truly believed in his lawyers' legal arguments and was seeking a legal over-ruling of the election results.
But this is what really happened. If you Google, you will find quotes from Clarence Thomas' wife even bragging that this was the strategy and that they had filed a brief to the Supreme Court that was in possession of Justice Alito, who pocketed it after the riot failed.
Caitlin - really surprised and disappointed that you followed the corporate media and Democrats in focusing on the Jan 6 riot and totally missing the real Trump crimes.
The Jan. 6 farce - what you also incorrectly called an "insurrection" - was not Trump's crime. It was planning a coup. It was cheating and lying and conducting a conspiracy to reverse the electoral college votes. Read the indictment - it's all written down in the Eastman Memo and the "Wisconsin Memo". Republicans have implemented that strategy in dozens of State's and laid the foundation for '24 electoral thefts.
These are not trivial partisan matters.
When taken in the context of the rising right wing Christian Nationalist fascist cultural movement Trump is a symptom of, we risk actual consolidation of Fascist politics and government. WAKE UP!
I read the indictments and didn't see how this will doing anything but elect Trump. The only possible crime other than speech COULD be IF Trump pressured the Sec. of State to change ballots. Requesting a look into 11,000 votes has already been illegal, Bush , Florida. As much as I consider Trump part of the problem this will only make him President again. West 24
You are lying. Trump did not "request a look into" votes. In George, Trump demanded that SoS "find" 11,780 votes 9the margin to win) and threaten legal retaliation if that was not done.
See paragraph 31. f.
https://www.scribd.com/document/662462402/Trump-Indictment
From your political perspective, which I disagree with because it elevates partisan plots above the Constitution, the way to not promote Trump's election is prosecution for insurrection. Ralph Nader explains how to do that here:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/08/07/january-6th-indictment-one-step-short-of-the-full-case-against-trump/
I think the best way to do that is for millions of Americans to take to the streets and Refuse Fascism, see:
https://refusefascism.org
When you talk like that to someone it means you DON'T want discussion. We shall see. I could care less which do nothing party wins. I will vote for Cornel , the only person against war, pro worker, education and healthcare. This will play out as with the Russiagate hoax. The Democant's could easily have impeached Trump for financial fraud however they would have all had to go to prison because they are all criminals minus the few.
"I think the best way to do that is for millions of Americans to take to the streets and Refuse Fascism."
The Rs have the police and the soldiers, so I do not think taking to the streets would bring the result you are looking for.
Once a critical mass is in the streets, and the government has lost legitimacy, there is a tipping point and the police stand down or they join the protesters - and the government falls.
It doesn't take that much - a few hundred thousands in the streets of the largest cities, shutting down the economy, until the government surrenders. Think of Occupy Wall Street, times 1000 - or the Vietnam and recent women's marches, but sustained for weeks..
I'd say that a January 6th or truckers' strike times 1000 is equally likely and would have the support of the police.
Yes, and the various militia's and bikers and NRA and related heavily armed gun nuts.
That's the point: we're on the edge and it can go either way. That makes it all the more important not to abdicate and allow the fascists to consolidate power.
Almost every Truther has a mainstream blind spot. Even The Grayzone supported the Kyle Rittenhouse official narrative...at first.
That's true. My skepticism is well established but I still am taken in every now and then.
The Democrats can't make this argument (about the delay objective of the Jan. 6 riot) because it would undermine the legal basis of the indictments regarding Trump's criminal intent, in that it would support the notion that Trump truly believed in his lawyers' legal arguments and was seeking a legal over-ruling of the election results.
But this is what really happened. If you Google, you will find quotes from Clarence Thomas' wife even bragging that this was the strategy and that they had filed a brief to the Supreme Court that was in possession of Justice Alito, who pocketed it after the riot failed.
The "insurrection" was a riot designed to delay congressional certification of the electoral college vote. Trump wanted delay so he could convince a Republican state to reject certification and/or the Supreme Court to hear the case that Eastman's legal theory asserted.
The far bigger crime was the coup strategy. Thankfully, while that has not gotten the Dems or news focus, it is in the indictment. Ralph Nader argues that the DoJ could go further and seek insurrection charges. I agree.
The Democrats can't make this argument because it would undermine the legal basis of the indictments regarding Trump's criminal intent, in that it would support the notion that Trump truly believed in his lawyers' legal arguments and was seeking a legal over-ruling of the election results.
But this is what really happened. If you Google, you will find quotes from Clarence Thomas' wife even bragging that this was the strategy and that they had filed a brief to the Supreme Court that was in possession of Justice Alito, who pocketed it after the riot failed.
" the jerk is on the news constantly." - on purpose.
Right. They got you too.