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Society's Stinky Parts's avatar

National security is ultimately the security of dollar-denominated debt and the right to command on account of that debt. The whole world of "Politics" is no different from any other political-religious theatric which anthropologists have observed (cf. AOC "the People's House is sacred"), and every bit as mythical (i.e. delusional).

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Marquis's avatar

You are right going back to the first city states of the Sumerians or those of Turkey like Golbeki Tepe or Katyl Huyuk etc. When you have international affairs regarding currency, it becomes a competition to screw over other countries for profit. You know our various trade agreements like NAFTA...I am an atheist secular humanist and really find religious influence in government a problem, because without secularism, no one is fairly represented. Yet I don't think people will fully abandon their delusions.

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Society's Stinky Parts's avatar

The republic exists to hold the Great and the Small together in enforced Unity. That total relation doesn't need to exist; in fact, almost every atrocity over the past 2500 years is a consequence of it. We can scuttle it as easily as the Classicals were dragged into it: hard, but possible.

The taste for delusions is acquired. Some societies get them, some do not. It's become apparent that the love for heroic drama (and the arts of lying, wastes of material wealth, inherited debts and performances, etc.) was particular to certain kinds of rural cultures, whose epic aesthetics recombined with the religious bureaucracies of the time, much like the "alt-right" of today. Steve Bannon isn't "evil", he's just participating in a historical process that heroic tradition "needs" in order to exist. But not everything needs to exist, in fact, there is no such thing as a need to exist. There are only consequences and predicates foregone.

There really isn't a reason to have heroic ideologies anymore or to let them run free-range in the streets, not just because the material bases for them have been subverted, but because they are all the same argument for spectacle as Truth. We're much better off with sortition than with any system that allows for cosmic drama.

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O'Neal's avatar

You have no idea if Gobekli Tepe represents the beginning of political leadership. It was well known that many cultures in the Neolithic had no need for centralized government. But I can see why you wouldn’t know since you are a secular humanist. Gobekli Tepe has the first written word in history, and it is the word God. (H)

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Marquis's avatar

Fair point, there were many cultures in the neolithic that had no need for centralized government. That's true, my knowledge merely comes from some archaeological analysis that have been done and of course that is subject to change upon new evidence if found. It having the first written word is debatable, that of god would be as well. Should scientists draw such a conclusion from the evidence they have, that would be great. Yet it is quite possible language developed earlier than that.

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Society's Stinky Parts's avatar

Meh, bureaucracies always end up inventing a supreme judge.

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