You seem to want to put words in people's mouths. I didn't say it was cool that he was tortured in Ukraine. I said I have some problems with his incel side. He seems to me to have been a complicated person.
The data we have access to is limited, as it is with 9/11. Alex Jones believing it was an inside job, and Alex Jones being a hateful person, doesn't mean there is no truth to his assertion. Thank you, Susan T, for seeing humans as complicated, and being curious about the implications.
Hateful people with hateful ideas often say something that is true. For me, it is a problem that some of these people are turned into some kind of heroes and everyone seems to forget the hateful things they said and did because now they are a hero.
Don't fall into the "Incil lies about gonsolo,,,he was married and has a wife and was outspoken about destroying the male roll in society and in family with some shitlib woke bull shit
The full question was: "What do your think of Gonzalo Lira? An American journalist dies in Ukrainian prison after criticizing the regime, yet no MSM propagandists spill any ink or tears over him."
What does it have to do with any of his side? The context is - he vs Navalny vs Assange.
Well, that's what I think. He was a complicated person. I haven't noticed you saying what you think. you have just criticized me for saying what I think.
I didn't like him. I think it was unjust if he was, in fact, murdered for his views. You are entitled to your opinion, but that is all it is. Your opinion. And I am entitled to mine which is nothing more than my opinion. Take it or leave it.
And he timed his death at the perfect moment to drive the news away from Russian military victory and the Putin interview. and give Biden an opportunity to press the House for billions in more military aid. Timing sure is everything, no?
I was talking to my brother yesterday and can't believe how much he and his wife hate Russia, like why, since we're the true bastards of the world. It isn't Russia supplying weapons to implement a genocide, it wasn't Russia attacking one Middle Eastern country after another in the last 20 years, It was US. We have used Russia as the boogeyman since I'm a kid, and before, and I gave that up when I was 8, standing on a corner just out of the candy store.
I was going to stay out of what I assume is trolling, but you've confirmed your own idiocy. It doesn't matter whether you liked him! The fact that you're apparently oblivious to this speaks volumes.
I agree. It doesn't matter at all whether I liked him. It seems to matter to people in these comments though. I think what happened to him is horrible.
Susan..the idea he was an INCEL is a fantasy created to demonize him...he was married with a kid...he hated the dumb woke culture and spoke of it ..the description of an "incel" is someone who pretends to be celibate from an inability to be in a normal relationships.. This smear against him was not his stance... but people tried to malign him for it and created the idea he hated women..
And that had ZERO to do with his reporting from Ukraine, or why Ukraine authorities let him die in custody to silence him just like calling him an Incel is an attempt at demonizing and silencing someone... Are we now going to go around persecuting people for their sexual orientations too? Kinda hypocritical to on the one hand defend human rights and denounce a persons human rights at the same time.. just cause you don't like what was said... this slippery slope of fascism seems to be an ongoing danger seeping into peoples minds..
I never hung around on the internet with GOP types. But slipping in a (preferably sexual) smear on someone while praising or deploring is a Dem specialty. "Pedophile" is the preferred smear, looks like "incel' was hastily chosen, or perhaps "incel" is now like "#metoo - once Hillary (the Hillary who kept lawyers on retainer to squash Bill's Bimbo Explosions or whatever) took it and made it totally meaningless, just another little greasy political attack tool used to derail a conversation. Or a candidate.
Slimmy sexual innuendo or antisemite smears are the go to for the ziopathic mind.
Its also a frat boy tactic, and they are more GOP'ish but the DemocRats are particularly found of conjuring up false accusations of rape like they tried with Assange and others..
Bills proclivity for cigars and interns or trumps grabby locker room statements are all part of the ugly politics of Americans left right or center.
Dirty tactics for dirty people who partied on Epstines islands jets or other places.
Gonzalo posable inability to get laid did not drive his desire to expose the truth of ukranians azov murderous intent and ziolenskys and usa proxy war.
.... You know... Bravo!!! That's exactly how I feel about it. It's just people behind a keyboard spouting opinions though none of us are actual policy makers or anything. No one here is curing cancer or bringing about worldpeace. So it's just opinionating for fun and profit. The world can take it or leave it. Glad to have read your post. My name is Keith by-the-way...
Actually, I did not like Julian Assange particularly at first. I don't think he raped anyone. I think it is abominable how he has been treated and I think he did the world a favour by exposing the atrocities of the US military in Iraq.
Agreed...like the anti Assange bullshit about him being a dirty resident at the embassy and allegations of rape. The Trial of Julian Assange is instructive about the total massacre of due process. This "its complicated" smokescreen plays into Empire power abuse as if it has more relevance than the issues said complicated person exposes.
Agree with all you said, Benjamin, however I feel that using things like "Empire power abuse" helps hide what is actually usa Wars of Aggression, massive Genocides/Holocausts, thefts of massive amounts of others wealth, butchering and torturing innocents, war crimes all over the world. History does not lie, usa rank propaganda always does.
Gonzolo was in Poor health but kept in prison conditions to facilitate his end is an act of murder.
Seems all to accepted by empire behavior now.
I would like to think Russia was more humane than that even given the CIA assets trator nature ..but sinse the West demonized Russia for 80 plus years most mindless western prolitariates need that Orwellian two minuts hate cathartic outrage they have been trained into by western society.
I was talking about gonzo, kept in most lickly bad conditions to "punish" and no I don't know how bad navenlys was either but people seem to make the assumption Russia's HAS to be bad..as in anything Russia is automatically bad?
Thus the West using that as a demonizing tactic.. From the behavior of the Ukrainians I don't doubt they will treat him poorly ..I have less doubt about Russia as I have less bias against them.
usa bot lies some more, usa bot writes goofy, inane, vacuous nonsense because he knows nothing about the world and how the usa is the problem. How does one know this? Because usa bot is also a total coward who flees from reality, truth, evidence.
Cool then he was tortured in Ukraine. Hate those incels.
You seem to want to put words in people's mouths. I didn't say it was cool that he was tortured in Ukraine. I said I have some problems with his incel side. He seems to me to have been a complicated person.
Gonzalo was hardly the only expat in Ukraine with a retrograde attitude towards women.
That's not why he was tortured and murdered.
See what I said, Susan, usa bot always runs away, intellectual coward/zero that he is.
How come with others you start off somewhat legibly but with me you do no preamble - straight into the raving mad.
You have douchebag priors
Fix your own life before worrying about others.
Bet you never had the guts to say that in a mirror.
My life's fine,, filled with family and friends. And any troubles are awating solutions I'm fully capable of addressing.
All you got is a relationship with a keyboard. And a big chip on your shoulders.
I think most people are. We just paint with too wide a brush sometimes. Because we all have our faults as wellas virtues. So how do you judge???
Stop thinking Hollywood is your fucking gospel.
The data we have access to is limited, as it is with 9/11. Alex Jones believing it was an inside job, and Alex Jones being a hateful person, doesn't mean there is no truth to his assertion. Thank you, Susan T, for seeing humans as complicated, and being curious about the implications.
Hateful people with hateful ideas often say something that is true. For me, it is a problem that some of these people are turned into some kind of heroes and everyone seems to forget the hateful things they said and did because now they are a hero.
Don't fall into the "Incil lies about gonsolo,,,he was married and has a wife and was outspoken about destroying the male roll in society and in family with some shitlib woke bull shit
The full question was: "What do your think of Gonzalo Lira? An American journalist dies in Ukrainian prison after criticizing the regime, yet no MSM propagandists spill any ink or tears over him."
What does it have to do with any of his side? The context is - he vs Navalny vs Assange.
Well, that's what I think. He was a complicated person. I haven't noticed you saying what you think. you have just criticized me for saying what I think.
Well, Navalny had big tits. Anything to say about that?
nope. I would not presume to criticize your analysis.
I didn't analyze his tits - I'm not an expert.
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I didn't like him. I think it was unjust if he was, in fact, murdered for his views. You are entitled to your opinion, but that is all it is. Your opinion. And I am entitled to mine which is nothing more than my opinion. Take it or leave it.
He wasn't murdered and think he died of natural causes, but his health care was extremely poor and his health issues neglected.
And he timed his death at the perfect moment to drive the news away from Russian military victory and the Putin interview. and give Biden an opportunity to press the House for billions in more military aid. Timing sure is everything, no?
I was talking to my brother yesterday and can't believe how much he and his wife hate Russia, like why, since we're the true bastards of the world. It isn't Russia supplying weapons to implement a genocide, it wasn't Russia attacking one Middle Eastern country after another in the last 20 years, It was US. We have used Russia as the boogeyman since I'm a kid, and before, and I gave that up when I was 8, standing on a corner just out of the candy store.
Why was it so poor Dyou think ?
You tell us, David, why it was so poor.
I was going to stay out of what I assume is trolling, but you've confirmed your own idiocy. It doesn't matter whether you liked him! The fact that you're apparently oblivious to this speaks volumes.
I agree. It doesn't matter at all whether I liked him. It seems to matter to people in these comments though. I think what happened to him is horrible.
Susan..the idea he was an INCEL is a fantasy created to demonize him...he was married with a kid...he hated the dumb woke culture and spoke of it ..the description of an "incel" is someone who pretends to be celibate from an inability to be in a normal relationships.. This smear against him was not his stance... but people tried to malign him for it and created the idea he hated women..
And that had ZERO to do with his reporting from Ukraine, or why Ukraine authorities let him die in custody to silence him just like calling him an Incel is an attempt at demonizing and silencing someone... Are we now going to go around persecuting people for their sexual orientations too? Kinda hypocritical to on the one hand defend human rights and denounce a persons human rights at the same time.. just cause you don't like what was said... this slippery slope of fascism seems to be an ongoing danger seeping into peoples minds..
I never hung around on the internet with GOP types. But slipping in a (preferably sexual) smear on someone while praising or deploring is a Dem specialty. "Pedophile" is the preferred smear, looks like "incel' was hastily chosen, or perhaps "incel" is now like "#metoo - once Hillary (the Hillary who kept lawyers on retainer to squash Bill's Bimbo Explosions or whatever) took it and made it totally meaningless, just another little greasy political attack tool used to derail a conversation. Or a candidate.
Slimmy sexual innuendo or antisemite smears are the go to for the ziopathic mind.
Its also a frat boy tactic, and they are more GOP'ish but the DemocRats are particularly found of conjuring up false accusations of rape like they tried with Assange and others..
Bills proclivity for cigars and interns or trumps grabby locker room statements are all part of the ugly politics of Americans left right or center.
Dirty tactics for dirty people who partied on Epstines islands jets or other places.
Gonzalo posable inability to get laid did not drive his desire to expose the truth of ukranians azov murderous intent and ziolenskys and usa proxy war.
You know...
.... You know... Bravo!!! That's exactly how I feel about it. It's just people behind a keyboard spouting opinions though none of us are actual policy makers or anything. No one here is curing cancer or bringing about worldpeace. So it's just opinionating for fun and profit. The world can take it or leave it. Glad to have read your post. My name is Keith by-the-way...
Mr sit on the fence
Actually, I did not like Julian Assange particularly at first. I don't think he raped anyone. I think it is abominable how he has been treated and I think he did the world a favour by exposing the atrocities of the US military in Iraq.
Very passive aggressive smear.
More total vacuous usa bot kurap.
Agreed...like the anti Assange bullshit about him being a dirty resident at the embassy and allegations of rape. The Trial of Julian Assange is instructive about the total massacre of due process. This "its complicated" smokescreen plays into Empire power abuse as if it has more relevance than the issues said complicated person exposes.
Agree with all you said, Benjamin, however I feel that using things like "Empire power abuse" helps hide what is actually usa Wars of Aggression, massive Genocides/Holocausts, thefts of massive amounts of others wealth, butchering and torturing innocents, war crimes all over the world. History does not lie, usa rank propaganda always does.
Gonzolo was in Poor health but kept in prison conditions to facilitate his end is an act of murder.
Seems all to accepted by empire behavior now.
I would like to think Russia was more humane than that even given the CIA assets trator nature ..but sinse the West demonized Russia for 80 plus years most mindless western prolitariates need that Orwellian two minuts hate cathartic outrage they have been trained into by western society.
I was talking about gonzo, kept in most lickly bad conditions to "punish" and no I don't know how bad navenlys was either but people seem to make the assumption Russia's HAS to be bad..as in anything Russia is automatically bad?
Thus the West using that as a demonizing tactic.. From the behavior of the Ukrainians I don't doubt they will treat him poorly ..I have less doubt about Russia as I have less bias against them.
usa bot lies some more, usa bot writes goofy, inane, vacuous nonsense because he knows nothing about the world and how the usa is the problem. How does one know this? Because usa bot is also a total coward who flees from reality, truth, evidence.