You seem to want to put words in people's mouths. I didn't say it was cool that he was tortured in Ukraine. I said I have some problems with his incel side. He seems to me to have been a complicated person.
The data we have access to is limited, as it is with 9/11. Alex Jones believing it was an inside job, and Alex Jones being a hateful person, doesn't mean there is no truth to his assertion. Thank you, Susan T, for seeing humans as complicated, and being curious about the implications.
Hateful people with hateful ideas often say something that is true. For me, it is a problem that some of these people are turned into some kind of heroes and everyone seems to forget the hateful things they said and did because now they are a hero.
Don't fall into the "Incil lies about gonsolo,,,he was married and has a wife and was outspoken about destroying the male roll in society and in family with some shitlib woke bull shit
The full question was: "What do your think of Gonzalo Lira? An American journalist dies in Ukrainian prison after criticizing the regime, yet no MSM propagandists spill any ink or tears over him."
What does it have to do with any of his side? The context is - he vs Navalny vs Assange.
Well, that's what I think. He was a complicated person. I haven't noticed you saying what you think. you have just criticized me for saying what I think.
I didn't like him. I think it was unjust if he was, in fact, murdered for his views. You are entitled to your opinion, but that is all it is. Your opinion. And I am entitled to mine which is nothing more than my opinion. Take it or leave it.
And he timed his death at the perfect moment to drive the news away from Russian military victory and the Putin interview. and give Biden an opportunity to press the House for billions in more military aid. Timing sure is everything, no?
I was going to stay out of what I assume is trolling, but you've confirmed your own idiocy. It doesn't matter whether you liked him! The fact that you're apparently oblivious to this speaks volumes.
I agree. It doesn't matter at all whether I liked him. It seems to matter to people in these comments though. I think what happened to him is horrible.
Susan..the idea he was an INCEL is a fantasy created to demonize him...he was married with a kid...he hated the dumb woke culture and spoke of it ..the description of an "incel" is someone who pretends to be celibate from an inability to be in a normal relationships.. This smear against him was not his stance... but people tried to malign him for it and created the idea he hated women..
And that had ZERO to do with his reporting from Ukraine, or why Ukraine authorities let him die in custody to silence him just like calling him an Incel is an attempt at demonizing and silencing someone... Are we now going to go around persecuting people for their sexual orientations too? Kinda hypocritical to on the one hand defend human rights and denounce a persons human rights at the same time.. just cause you don't like what was said... this slippery slope of fascism seems to be an ongoing danger seeping into peoples minds..
I never hung around on the internet with GOP types. But slipping in a (preferably sexual) smear on someone while praising or deploring is a Dem specialty. "Pedophile" is the preferred smear, looks like "incel' was hastily chosen, or perhaps "incel" is now like "#metoo - once Hillary (the Hillary who kept lawyers on retainer to squash Bill's Bimbo Explosions or whatever) took it and made it totally meaningless, just another little greasy political attack tool used to derail a conversation. Or a candidate.
Gonzalo posable inability to get laid did not drive his desire to expose the truth of ukranians azov murderous intent and ziolenskys and usa proxy war.
.... You know... Bravo!!! That's exactly how I feel about it. It's just people behind a keyboard spouting opinions though none of us are actual policy makers or anything. No one here is curing cancer or bringing about worldpeace. So it's just opinionating for fun and profit. The world can take it or leave it. Glad to have read your post. My name is Keith by-the-way...
Actually, I did not like Julian Assange particularly at first. I don't think he raped anyone. I think it is abominable how he has been treated and I think he did the world a favour by exposing the atrocities of the US military in Iraq.
Agreed...like the anti Assange bullshit about him being a dirty resident at the embassy and allegations of rape. The Trial of Julian Assange is instructive about the total massacre of due process. This "its complicated" smokescreen plays into Empire power abuse as if it has more relevance than the issues said complicated person exposes.
Agree with all you said, Benjamin, however I feel that using things like "Empire power abuse" helps hide what is actually usa Wars of Aggression, massive Genocides/Holocausts, thefts of massive amounts of others wealth, butchering and torturing innocents, war crimes all over the world. History does not lie, usa rank propaganda always does.
Gonzolo was in Poor health but kept in prison conditions to facilitate his end is an act of murder.
Seems all to accepted by empire behavior now.
I would like to think Russia was more humane than that even given the CIA assets trator nature ..but sinse the West demonized Russia for 80 plus years most mindless western prolitariates need that Orwellian two minuts hate cathartic outrage they have been trained into by western society.
usa bot lies some more, usa bot writes goofy, inane, vacuous nonsense because he knows nothing about the world and how the usa is the problem. How does one know this? Because usa bot is also a total coward who flees from reality, truth, evidence.
his youtube videos were "anti-feminist, misogynistic and appealed to incels", apparently. I didn't say he was an incel. I said I have problems with the incel side of him. Lots of men have a wife and kids and they are misogynists.
And WHO wrote that about him? The same assholes who've been attacking Andrew Tate, in the attempt to silence him, as well. You should probably watch his videos, yourself, if you want to form an honest opinion - rather than getting it from the OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD spooks at "The Daily Beast", the New York Times/WaPo, or Wikipedia.
While I'm sure I don't agree with all of his takes - the quote you provided is transparently part of a campaign designed to discredit and "cancel" him on the fauxgressive to ShitLib "left", since he posed real problems for their Ukraine proxy war narratives.
Actually, I did watch something by him quite a while back and I didn't like him. I thought he seemed to want attention. You like him, it seems. go ahead. I am not here to convert you to my way of thinking.
That's NOT my point. You say you saw "something" - what exactly? Why didn't you "like" it? FACTS don't care about your feelings - and his reporting from close to the front (in Kharkov) and from Kiev was honest and important.
I don't care about his alleged misogyny - though I honestly never saw it, personally, in any of his reporting or interviews. I saw a guy whose personal politics I didn't always agree with - but that was irrelevant to his reporting on the situation in Ukraine, and they rarely intruded.
No. Unlike you - second hand opinions, particularly those generated by CIA influence operations, don't have much effect upon me... certainly not to the point of my repeating slanders, or discounting honest reporting.
Yeah the Leftards hated Coach Redpill. The Daily Beast wrote a hit piece on him that pretty much facilitated his first arrest and didn't help his overall chances.
I think his politics moved away from the Pinochet-support, over time. Sadly, there's plenty of Chileans and Americans who STILL support Pinochet, to this day.
He was to the right politically and on economic issues, but I still respected his reporting on Ukraine (, and even some of his global economic analysis, I came to find, over time, by listening to him).
It's always good to get confirmation from an additional source, on any facts that are disputed. Since I don't follow the internal political debate and news in Kiev - I always appreciated when he brought the receipts on that stuff.
So you followed the bills in the Ukrainian legislature, as it became increasingly fascistic? And you followed the rising and falling stars of Ukrainian politics? Interesting.
Bullshit. The charges against Assange were made up and exposed for what they were a long time ago. The Swedish government railroaded the women who making the accusations.
I don't think anyone denies that Assange got laid by those two Swedish women. Just that what occurred wasn't non-consensual. They MAY HAVE BEEN part ofba sophisticated "Honey Pot Operation" - or perhaps they were just used to retroactively manufacture one.
They were not "sluts" FFS. Neither wanted him charged, and one made huge efforts to try to prevent the legal onslaught. If they are "sluts", then so is Julian.
In actual fact, they were activists who found him intelligent and attractive, and took him to bed. We need MORE of these "sluts", if that's the word you want to use about strong women who control their own sex lives.
If he was less of an idiot he'd have stopped when the condom split, as she asked. I sure as fuck would - wouldn't you?
They'd have got him some other way anyway, just 'made it up' if nothing else arose.
You get to share the first place with Susan T for not recognizing sarcasm.
Having said that, it can be argued they are indeed sluts, since "neither wanted him charged" yet they went along. They sold him out. They were paid with something. They were de facto prostitutes.
I think Gonzalo Lira was complicated. I have some problems with his incel side.
Cool then he was tortured in Ukraine. Hate those incels.
You seem to want to put words in people's mouths. I didn't say it was cool that he was tortured in Ukraine. I said I have some problems with his incel side. He seems to me to have been a complicated person.
Gonzalo was hardly the only expat in Ukraine with a retrograde attitude towards women.
That's not why he was tortured and murdered.
See what I said, Susan, usa bot always runs away, intellectual coward/zero that he is.
How come with others you start off somewhat legibly but with me you do no preamble - straight into the raving mad.
You have douchebag priors
Fix your own life before worrying about others.
I think most people are. We just paint with too wide a brush sometimes. Because we all have our faults as wellas virtues. So how do you judge???
Stop thinking Hollywood is your fucking gospel.
The data we have access to is limited, as it is with 9/11. Alex Jones believing it was an inside job, and Alex Jones being a hateful person, doesn't mean there is no truth to his assertion. Thank you, Susan T, for seeing humans as complicated, and being curious about the implications.
Hateful people with hateful ideas often say something that is true. For me, it is a problem that some of these people are turned into some kind of heroes and everyone seems to forget the hateful things they said and did because now they are a hero.
Don't fall into the "Incil lies about gonsolo,,,he was married and has a wife and was outspoken about destroying the male roll in society and in family with some shitlib woke bull shit
The full question was: "What do your think of Gonzalo Lira? An American journalist dies in Ukrainian prison after criticizing the regime, yet no MSM propagandists spill any ink or tears over him."
What does it have to do with any of his side? The context is - he vs Navalny vs Assange.
Well, that's what I think. He was a complicated person. I haven't noticed you saying what you think. you have just criticized me for saying what I think.
Well, Navalny had big tits. Anything to say about that?
nope. I would not presume to criticize your analysis.
I didn't like him. I think it was unjust if he was, in fact, murdered for his views. You are entitled to your opinion, but that is all it is. Your opinion. And I am entitled to mine which is nothing more than my opinion. Take it or leave it.
He wasn't murdered and think he died of natural causes, but his health care was extremely poor and his health issues neglected.
And he timed his death at the perfect moment to drive the news away from Russian military victory and the Putin interview. and give Biden an opportunity to press the House for billions in more military aid. Timing sure is everything, no?
Why was it so poor Dyou think ?
I was going to stay out of what I assume is trolling, but you've confirmed your own idiocy. It doesn't matter whether you liked him! The fact that you're apparently oblivious to this speaks volumes.
I agree. It doesn't matter at all whether I liked him. It seems to matter to people in these comments though. I think what happened to him is horrible.
Susan..the idea he was an INCEL is a fantasy created to demonize him...he was married with a kid...he hated the dumb woke culture and spoke of it ..the description of an "incel" is someone who pretends to be celibate from an inability to be in a normal relationships.. This smear against him was not his stance... but people tried to malign him for it and created the idea he hated women..
And that had ZERO to do with his reporting from Ukraine, or why Ukraine authorities let him die in custody to silence him just like calling him an Incel is an attempt at demonizing and silencing someone... Are we now going to go around persecuting people for their sexual orientations too? Kinda hypocritical to on the one hand defend human rights and denounce a persons human rights at the same time.. just cause you don't like what was said... this slippery slope of fascism seems to be an ongoing danger seeping into peoples minds..
I never hung around on the internet with GOP types. But slipping in a (preferably sexual) smear on someone while praising or deploring is a Dem specialty. "Pedophile" is the preferred smear, looks like "incel' was hastily chosen, or perhaps "incel" is now like "#metoo - once Hillary (the Hillary who kept lawyers on retainer to squash Bill's Bimbo Explosions or whatever) took it and made it totally meaningless, just another little greasy political attack tool used to derail a conversation. Or a candidate.
Gonzalo posable inability to get laid did not drive his desire to expose the truth of ukranians azov murderous intent and ziolenskys and usa proxy war.
You know...
.... You know... Bravo!!! That's exactly how I feel about it. It's just people behind a keyboard spouting opinions though none of us are actual policy makers or anything. No one here is curing cancer or bringing about worldpeace. So it's just opinionating for fun and profit. The world can take it or leave it. Glad to have read your post. My name is Keith by-the-way...
Mr sit on the fence
Actually, I did not like Julian Assange particularly at first. I don't think he raped anyone. I think it is abominable how he has been treated and I think he did the world a favour by exposing the atrocities of the US military in Iraq.
Agreed...like the anti Assange bullshit about him being a dirty resident at the embassy and allegations of rape. The Trial of Julian Assange is instructive about the total massacre of due process. This "its complicated" smokescreen plays into Empire power abuse as if it has more relevance than the issues said complicated person exposes.
Agree with all you said, Benjamin, however I feel that using things like "Empire power abuse" helps hide what is actually usa Wars of Aggression, massive Genocides/Holocausts, thefts of massive amounts of others wealth, butchering and torturing innocents, war crimes all over the world. History does not lie, usa rank propaganda always does.
Gonzolo was in Poor health but kept in prison conditions to facilitate his end is an act of murder.
Seems all to accepted by empire behavior now.
I would like to think Russia was more humane than that even given the CIA assets trator nature ..but sinse the West demonized Russia for 80 plus years most mindless western prolitariates need that Orwellian two minuts hate cathartic outrage they have been trained into by western society.
usa bot lies some more, usa bot writes goofy, inane, vacuous nonsense because he knows nothing about the world and how the usa is the problem. How does one know this? Because usa bot is also a total coward who flees from reality, truth, evidence.
He wasn't an "Incel". He had a wife and kids.
his youtube videos were "anti-feminist, misogynistic and appealed to incels", apparently. I didn't say he was an incel. I said I have problems with the incel side of him. Lots of men have a wife and kids and they are misogynists.
And WHO wrote that about him? The same assholes who've been attacking Andrew Tate, in the attempt to silence him, as well. You should probably watch his videos, yourself, if you want to form an honest opinion - rather than getting it from the OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD spooks at "The Daily Beast", the New York Times/WaPo, or Wikipedia.
While I'm sure I don't agree with all of his takes - the quote you provided is transparently part of a campaign designed to discredit and "cancel" him on the fauxgressive to ShitLib "left", since he posed real problems for their Ukraine proxy war narratives.
Actually, I did watch something by him quite a while back and I didn't like him. I thought he seemed to want attention. You like him, it seems. go ahead. I am not here to convert you to my way of thinking.
That's NOT my point. You say you saw "something" - what exactly? Why didn't you "like" it? FACTS don't care about your feelings - and his reporting from close to the front (in Kharkov) and from Kiev was honest and important.
I don't care about his alleged misogyny - though I honestly never saw it, personally, in any of his reporting or interviews. I saw a guy whose personal politics I didn't always agree with - but that was irrelevant to his reporting on the situation in Ukraine, and they rarely intruded.
No. Unlike you - second hand opinions, particularly those generated by CIA influence operations, don't have much effect upon me... certainly not to the point of my repeating slanders, or discounting honest reporting.
I do care about misogyny. Odd that, but true. So you go your way, I will go mine.
Yeah the Leftards hated Coach Redpill. The Daily Beast wrote a hit piece on him that pretty much facilitated his first arrest and didn't help his overall chances.
I think his politics moved away from the Pinochet-support, over time. Sadly, there's plenty of Chileans and Americans who STILL support Pinochet, to this day.
He was to the right politically and on economic issues, but I still respected his reporting on Ukraine (, and even some of his global economic analysis, I came to find, over time, by listening to him).
It's always good to get confirmation from an additional source, on any facts that are disputed. Since I don't follow the internal political debate and news in Kiev - I always appreciated when he brought the receipts on that stuff.
So you followed the bills in the Ukrainian legislature, as it became increasingly fascistic? And you followed the rising and falling stars of Ukrainian politics? Interesting.
Do you read Ukrainian Newspapers?
Bullshit. The charges against Assange were made up and exposed for what they were a long time ago. The Swedish government railroaded the women who making the accusations.
I don't think anyone denies that Assange got laid by those two Swedish women. Just that what occurred wasn't non-consensual. They MAY HAVE BEEN part ofba sophisticated "Honey Pot Operation" - or perhaps they were just used to retroactively manufacture one.
it all was about bareback, no?
That was the allegation in at least one instance - though I think it was specifically that he took a condom off, by stealth or something.
They were not "sluts" FFS. Neither wanted him charged, and one made huge efforts to try to prevent the legal onslaught. If they are "sluts", then so is Julian.
In actual fact, they were activists who found him intelligent and attractive, and took him to bed. We need MORE of these "sluts", if that's the word you want to use about strong women who control their own sex lives.
If he was less of an idiot he'd have stopped when the condom split, as she asked. I sure as fuck would - wouldn't you?
They'd have got him some other way anyway, just 'made it up' if nothing else arose.
You get to share the first place with Susan T for not recognizing sarcasm.
Having said that, it can be argued they are indeed sluts, since "neither wanted him charged" yet they went along. They sold him out. They were paid with something. They were de facto prostitutes.
You are misinformed. They did not "go along". The State - unusually, hmmm - decided to prosecute WITHOUT the supposed victim's agreement.
They were not "prostitutes", and I hope you are a virgin until you get married with that opinion of women.
The state learned about everything how?
always finish what you started!