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Cultures and polities create myths for functional purposes, such as to keep people attached to them. Bourgeois capitalist culture created that one about the barbarians and the indivious value of the state. Please read _The Dawn of Everything_ before presenting myths as fact.

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jamenta's avatar

The only myth is that competition and everyone fending for themselves will lead to a greater good. That is the Myth the Bourgeois capitalists have brainwashed the American masses with.

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Ultimately, at least if we are being honest with ourselves, truth itself is a myth, that label we paste on the myth we like the most. Notice how that is distinct from neoliberal epistemology, where truth is determined by a market process, or any religion, which simply asserts its unique truth a priori and leaves its followers to adjust the world to the image, reliably failing for a number of fairly predictable reasons.

The myth of order is commonly used to rationalize class systems. Its theme is usually a variation of humans perceiving a void or "chaos" and imposing form on their particular perception of it, whose continuation depends on a non-productive priest class riding on laborers. And every culture also comes with some bizarre threat of apocalypse when we stop playing along. Well, I thought that was why we were all on Caitlin's Newsletter? I thought we were all about lifting veils and maybe burning a few of them?

Anyway, that is barely the little ridge of dirt around the rabbit hole of social science and philosophy. What I'm talking about is way beyond left capitalism vs. right capitalism, Catholicism vs. Protestantism false alternative. I'll leave you with an ancient quote whose origin escapes me at this late hour:

The man who knows no stories is ignorant.

The man who knows many stories is wise.

The man who knows one story is dangerous.

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Beware of the one book person.

I would add: beware of Ayn Rand nutjobs.

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As well everyone should, because liberal nihilism is a terrible ideology, but that isn't the only alternative to totalitarianism (the idea that everything can and should be weighed in moral terms) and the Great Chain of Being (the idea that everyone is nominally submissive to a master). I assure you, Ayn Rand loved her false gods and true masters. I partake of neither and view those who need others to have them with great suspicion.

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You can't wake up in the morning without some type of belief system and underlying ideology. And there is no such thing as perfection.

The real danger is assuming you got it all figured out, and then insist your truth must be the only truth. And then use a gun to enforce that truth. Violence begets violence. As long as the means are violent, the ends will also be violent.

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That there's no such thing as perfection is what makes perfectionISM such an insidious ideology. It is nothing but a permanent attitude of subordination, a stance which a philosopher named John Hobbes was quite fond of hundreds of years ago.

Well, dude, "assuming you got it all figured out, and then insist your truth must be the only truth" IS WHAT STATES DO. I'm sorry that you're too corrupted by your property within that system to see it.

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