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Feral Finster's avatar

Most political and economic systems can be made to work tolerably well, if and to the extent that they are run by non-sociopaths.

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Society's Stinky Parts's avatar

Then they are unfit for production use.

It's worth asking ourselves whether a common totality is necessary at all, let alone desirable, or whether it is simply an English cultural tendency that serves to enable commerce and empire.

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William Paul's avatar

I would prefer small, local systems over large, dominating systems.

I'm "communist" in the sense that I believe in community and giving.

I'm "free market" in the sense that I believe we should come together because we want to, not because some dictator says we have to.

Life is a balance between individuals and communities. If both are healthy, then they create healthy tension, or polarity, like in a good marriage or a good family. When someone has to be a control freak / sociopath, then, well, we all know what that means.

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Simon's avatar

If the community supports the talents and endeavour of the individual, the individual will prosper and inturn support the community.....much more effectively.

This is a virtual impssibility from the acctivities of large centralised systems of governance. They will support only those with prominent positions of power and influence simply to retain the power and control of such governance. The individual becomes an economic unit only to be sucked dry of his resources as far as possible to the expiry of his life. This is anti human

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kevin maurer's avatar

brilliantly said.

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Society's Stinky Parts's avatar

Just say that you think you're entitled to command others without reciprocation and leave your emotional noise out of it.

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jamenta's avatar

It's amazing how many Americans insist on their Freedom, but refuse to take any Responsibility for it.

A bunch of fucking juveniles.

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jamenta's avatar

Civilization is based on cooperation. Collaboration/cooperation is one of the strongest survival traits known to nature. That is why humans have been incredibly successful - it's not due to individual heroism or fucking over your neighbor, but via civilized cooperation for a common good. Those countries who have decent health care for their citizens, provide some respectable standard of living for their citizens, including affordable transportation and education - these countries are thriving right now.

In the US (and in other Western countries) it's the opposite. The myth of rugged individualism and anti-governance i.e. privatize every fucking thing in sight, has led to mass corruption, greed and a society that is decline at light fucking speed. Take a look at all the homeless camps in LA right now. Anyone who tells you corporations and private ownership is the only way a society can maintain itself - tell them to take a hike or live like a Neanderthal somewhere in Antarctica. See how long they'll live alone out there on their own.

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Society's Stinky Parts's avatar

I question whether a total, global order, of the kind that people call civilization, is necessary or desirable. That is, whether it is worthwhile to forcibly "unify" every corner of the globe and every human under one common system of administration and one common set of values, to which everything else about them can be reduced for exchange; or whether communities should fashion and uphold their own values as they emerge from their conditions, answerable to no outside commandment save the extension of hospitality. The first is the authoritarian, liberal capitalist way, and that includes left, right, neo, and every other liberalism. The second is a less formal, more local, lower-overhead way of living and relating.

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Jeano's avatar

I like your thought process and have thought along those lines a lot. I’d love to see it happen and have come to the conclusion that if we were to become more matrilineal, more nurturing, with an economy closer to “giving” than “getting”, and social support through the economic system, and smaller local councils of governance, (and free health spa’s with meditation guidance), we could pull together a pretty nice little cooperative. Those who still wanted to march around in Uniforms and shoot things could be formed into local WPA’s and anybody could join them as a gift to their society. I’d join one and I’m 78. I could help set up and instruct in one of those old “go’ment” school buildings that need tearing down, until we develop a decent educational policy. Shit like that. Basically join our citizenry.

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jamenta's avatar

Your idea was already tried by Barbarians. They didn't last long.

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Society's Stinky Parts's avatar

Cultures and polities create myths for functional purposes, such as to keep people attached to them. Bourgeois capitalist culture created that one about the barbarians and the indivious value of the state. Please read _The Dawn of Everything_ before presenting myths as fact.

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jamenta's avatar

The only myth is that competition and everyone fending for themselves will lead to a greater good. That is the Myth the Bourgeois capitalists have brainwashed the American masses with.

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