I think people are losing sight of the greater picture - Israel's reputation is damaged forever! Trying to throw Netanyahu under the bus will not work although he will be spending the rest of his life in prison if they don't assassinate him first - or I could see him committing suicide like Hitler as he knows the walls are closing in - the IDF was responsible for the majority of deaths on 10-07 and when the truth becomes to unbearable for anyone to deny - Israel's history and fate will be sealed.
Witnesses are coming forward to testify it was the IDF who slaughtered them on 10-07 and not Hamas. This is why I believe nearly a quarter of a million have relocated to Europe. They know what happened!
Listen to the Ron Unz interview - he basically says what so many of us had already learned. He believes the number of people Hamas killed may be as low as 100 and I agree. Listen to how he derives that figure. It's not something he simply picks out of thin air. The order was to kidnap not kill!
The mere fact that the lies that followed are so unfathomably egregious I believe solidifies this! Babies in ovens - cutting off breasts, cutting babies out of wombs? Who in their right mind would've ever believed something so hideous? Those days are over! People have woken up - they know there is no truth to anything the media reports. Look how fast everything is debunked!
And again, if none of this were false then why they need to destroy all the evidence. Not only did they bury the cars - one poster on these lists said they shredded them before doing so! I assume they know one helluva an investigation is about to unfold. All the video from the security breach of the fence has mysteriously disappeared? The world knows this was a false flag!
All this said I personally don't foresee Israel (as we have known it) will exist in the future - so talk of two state I believe is moot. I personally believe Russia is going to be the worlds super power and will never allow and or perhaps even control the Middle East and all it's resources.
It's highly doubtful anyone will have an ounce of respect or sympathy for Israel ever again (they have lost all their allies) but especially the Israel's themselves. They tore a page out of the Holocaust - so forget sympathy for that as well. If the US continues to stand with Israel they will simply sink with them but you know with the upcoming election all of that will change. I'll bet anyone anything that Russia takes over everything and of course under the guise of bringing an immediate end to this and seen as the hero.
Have you been watching and listening to Putin of late - he's really been making the rounds. He did a a four and a half question and answer interview the other day. He's been traveling to the Middle East and visa versa. I read or watched an interview where they said the greatest fear of the US is that Russia is going to resolve all of this. That's all I know . . . .
I don't my friend, not only has Israel now completely ostracized itself amongst the Arab States but so has the USA - whereas Russia appears to be the polar opposite and making extreme headway.
One can only to assume all of this fighting boils down to the natural gas reserves - ownership routes, disbursement., etc. but at this point, if I were a betting man - I would say Russia by far has the upper hand - hence moving in. Part of me wonders if this is why we facilitated the weapons and refused the cease fire to expedite Israel's decline - I don't foresee Israel ever coming back from this and it's only a matter of time before Israel ceases to exist as we knew it! How great would it be to have an Russian occupation? Hah! There's a lot of Russian Jews IN Israel
I believe Russia with it's enormous wealth versus the bankrupt Europe and USA will take over but especially given their allies - COMBINED the US doesn't stand a chance IF this war were to escalate. It would be mass suicide. Turkey has amassed 2 million soldiers and an impressive arsenal and Russia has since expanded it's to 2.2 million with an arsenal that dwarfs everyone's else's.
I personally foresee this as all ending with Russia and the Middle East being the eventual victors and saying buh-bye to the good ole USA which was in it's final throws already. Israel can threaten with their nukes and I put noting past Netanyahu - but again Russia is superior.
I think Putin is clearly circling the wagons - he was just in the Middle East last week and the leaders of Hamas were in Russia a few weeks before that! I also watched an interview which stated this is the USA's greatest fear.
Russia burst onto the Middle Eastern stage back in 2015, when it entered the Syrian civil war on the side of the embattled government. Until 2022, however, the Middle East was just one of many vectors in Russian foreign policy. Moscow’s war against Ukraine changed everything. The resulting isolation from the West forced Russia to urgently cast around for alternative partners in a range of areas, and just a year later the Middle Eastern countries were second only to China in terms of their importance to Moscow.
The biggest leap has been made in trade and economic relations with Turkey. Trade turnover nearly doubled in 2022 to over $60 billion: again, Russia trades more only with China. Turkey has also become an indispensable partner for Russia in a broad range of other areas, from air travel to high-tech imports.
Iran has proved to be an important military ally for Russia in the Ukraine conflict. In addition to the infamous kamikaze drones, Iran has supplied Russia with body armor, helmets, shells, rockets for rocket launchers, and ammunition.
The importance of the United Arab Emirates has also grown sharply. Not only did trade turnover in 2022 increase by 68 percent to $9 billion, the country has become an important link in the chains of parallel imports of electronics—above all, crucial microchips—as well as one of the main destinations for Russian nationals emigrating or simply traveling abroad.
Meanwhile, Moscow is now coordinating both its oil export strategy and approaches to Middle Eastern conflicts with Saudi Arabia. Finally, Russian troops have not left Syria: still home to Russia’s only military base outside the former Soviet Union. Willingly or unwillingly, Moscow remains a direct participant in the resolution of the long-running Syrian conflict.
Then there are all the large-scale Russian projects in the Middle East that are already being implemented, or will be launched in the near future. These include the North-South transport corridor through Azerbaijan and Iran to the Indian Ocean, and a gas hub in Turkey.
One new element in Russia’s relations with the Middle East is the emergence of an enormous Russian diaspora in the region. In 2022, Turkey and the UAE were among the top ten most popular destinations for Russians who chose to relocate following the outbreak of the war. There are no precise statistics on the number of people who have emigrated, but Turkey alone issued more than 150,000 residence permits to Russian nationals last year. In 2023, they became much more difficult to obtain or renew, but the number of Russians in the country is still far higher than in the prewar years.
The UAE saw a significant increase not only in the number of Russian tourists and emigres in 2022–2023, but also in the number of companies registered by Russians. Another key destination was Israel, to which more than 60,000 Russians fled from the beginning of 2022 to mid-2023. In total, the war in Ukraine led to several hundred thousand Russians moving to live in the Middle East.
It’s not surprising, therefore, that Russian media coverage of Middle Eastern conflicts has grown. The latest conflict between Israel and Hamas has shown that Moscow can no longer afford to sit on the fence, and the Kremlin is increasingly aligning itself with the Islamic countries of the Middle East. That’s no coincidence, given their growing importance for Russia.
Although the rhetoric of the Russian authorities is not yet openly anti-Israeli, the consequences of this alignment have already shocked the world, with mobs of aggressive demonstrators storming hotels and airports under anti-Israeli slogans in Russia’s North Caucasus.
The proliferation of connections at various levels, the large diaspora of Russians, and the increased role of the region for Russia all mean that Middle Eastern culture will inevitably penetrate Russia more than ever before, including in business and finance. A two-year Islamic banking experiment got under way in Russia on September 1. The economic component of the project is dubious, but the symbolic significance is undeniable. Russian officials are also now increasingly in contact with the Middle East, meaning the influence will also be felt across government institutions.
After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia actively borrowed Western—primarily European—legal and bureaucratic practices. Now that the European path appears to be closed off entirely, other alternatives are emerging in its place. Authoritarian modernization in Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Qatar may well be perceived in Russia as experience worthy of imitation, not to mention Iran’s experience in circumventing sanctions, which Russian experts and officials diligently studied throughout 2022.
Given the Putin regime’s drastic turn toward traditional values, Moscow may also believe it has something to learn from the Middle East on attitudes toward family, religion, and the role of women in society. The growing proportion of Muslims in the Russian population due to demographics and migration creates even more fertile soil for the borrowing of Middle Eastern practices.
Finally, for Russians who live there, the Middle East is becoming something of a social elevator. With business and the state having reoriented from the West to Turkey, the UAE, and Iran, young professionals are also heading there in search of an international career. Demand creates supply, meaning that there will be plenty of students eager to study this part of the world in coming years. The new era could produce a wave of talented Russian Arabists, Iranianists, and Turkologists. That will only happen, however, if higher education and academia—already weakened by the brain drain—are not completely crushed by the authoritarianism that dominates both the Middle East and Russia.
I think people are losing sight of the greater picture - Israel's reputation is damaged forever! Trying to throw Netanyahu under the bus will not work although he will be spending the rest of his life in prison if they don't assassinate him first - or I could see him committing suicide like Hitler as he knows the walls are closing in - the IDF was responsible for the majority of deaths on 10-07 and when the truth becomes to unbearable for anyone to deny - Israel's history and fate will be sealed.
Witnesses are coming forward to testify it was the IDF who slaughtered them on 10-07 and not Hamas. This is why I believe nearly a quarter of a million have relocated to Europe. They know what happened!
Listen to the Ron Unz interview - he basically says what so many of us had already learned. He believes the number of people Hamas killed may be as low as 100 and I agree. Listen to how he derives that figure. It's not something he simply picks out of thin air. The order was to kidnap not kill!
The mere fact that the lies that followed are so unfathomably egregious I believe solidifies this! Babies in ovens - cutting off breasts, cutting babies out of wombs? Who in their right mind would've ever believed something so hideous? Those days are over! People have woken up - they know there is no truth to anything the media reports. Look how fast everything is debunked!
And again, if none of this were false then why they need to destroy all the evidence. Not only did they bury the cars - one poster on these lists said they shredded them before doing so! I assume they know one helluva an investigation is about to unfold. All the video from the security breach of the fence has mysteriously disappeared? The world knows this was a false flag!
All this said I personally don't foresee Israel (as we have known it) will exist in the future - so talk of two state I believe is moot. I personally believe Russia is going to be the worlds super power and will never allow and or perhaps even control the Middle East and all it's resources.
It's highly doubtful anyone will have an ounce of respect or sympathy for Israel ever again (they have lost all their allies) but especially the Israel's themselves. They tore a page out of the Holocaust - so forget sympathy for that as well. If the US continues to stand with Israel they will simply sink with them but you know with the upcoming election all of that will change. I'll bet anyone anything that Russia takes over everything and of course under the guise of bringing an immediate end to this and seen as the hero.
I have read that is the USA's greatest fear.
Have you been watching and listening to Putin of late - he's really been making the rounds. He did a a four and a half question and answer interview the other day. He's been traveling to the Middle East and visa versa. I read or watched an interview where they said the greatest fear of the US is that Russia is going to resolve all of this. That's all I know . . . .
Time will tell, I guess, right?
I don't my friend, not only has Israel now completely ostracized itself amongst the Arab States but so has the USA - whereas Russia appears to be the polar opposite and making extreme headway.
One can only to assume all of this fighting boils down to the natural gas reserves - ownership routes, disbursement., etc. but at this point, if I were a betting man - I would say Russia by far has the upper hand - hence moving in. Part of me wonders if this is why we facilitated the weapons and refused the cease fire to expedite Israel's decline - I don't foresee Israel ever coming back from this and it's only a matter of time before Israel ceases to exist as we knew it! How great would it be to have an Russian occupation? Hah! There's a lot of Russian Jews IN Israel
I believe Russia with it's enormous wealth versus the bankrupt Europe and USA will take over but especially given their allies - COMBINED the US doesn't stand a chance IF this war were to escalate. It would be mass suicide. Turkey has amassed 2 million soldiers and an impressive arsenal and Russia has since expanded it's to 2.2 million with an arsenal that dwarfs everyone's else's.
I personally foresee this as all ending with Russia and the Middle East being the eventual victors and saying buh-bye to the good ole USA which was in it's final throws already. Israel can threaten with their nukes and I put noting past Netanyahu - but again Russia is superior.
I think Putin is clearly circling the wagons - he was just in the Middle East last week and the leaders of Hamas were in Russia a few weeks before that! I also watched an interview which stated this is the USA's greatest fear.
https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/91028
Russia burst onto the Middle Eastern stage back in 2015, when it entered the Syrian civil war on the side of the embattled government. Until 2022, however, the Middle East was just one of many vectors in Russian foreign policy. Moscow’s war against Ukraine changed everything. The resulting isolation from the West forced Russia to urgently cast around for alternative partners in a range of areas, and just a year later the Middle Eastern countries were second only to China in terms of their importance to Moscow.
The biggest leap has been made in trade and economic relations with Turkey. Trade turnover nearly doubled in 2022 to over $60 billion: again, Russia trades more only with China. Turkey has also become an indispensable partner for Russia in a broad range of other areas, from air travel to high-tech imports.
Iran has proved to be an important military ally for Russia in the Ukraine conflict. In addition to the infamous kamikaze drones, Iran has supplied Russia with body armor, helmets, shells, rockets for rocket launchers, and ammunition.
The importance of the United Arab Emirates has also grown sharply. Not only did trade turnover in 2022 increase by 68 percent to $9 billion, the country has become an important link in the chains of parallel imports of electronics—above all, crucial microchips—as well as one of the main destinations for Russian nationals emigrating or simply traveling abroad.
Meanwhile, Moscow is now coordinating both its oil export strategy and approaches to Middle Eastern conflicts with Saudi Arabia. Finally, Russian troops have not left Syria: still home to Russia’s only military base outside the former Soviet Union. Willingly or unwillingly, Moscow remains a direct participant in the resolution of the long-running Syrian conflict.
Then there are all the large-scale Russian projects in the Middle East that are already being implemented, or will be launched in the near future. These include the North-South transport corridor through Azerbaijan and Iran to the Indian Ocean, and a gas hub in Turkey.
One new element in Russia’s relations with the Middle East is the emergence of an enormous Russian diaspora in the region. In 2022, Turkey and the UAE were among the top ten most popular destinations for Russians who chose to relocate following the outbreak of the war. There are no precise statistics on the number of people who have emigrated, but Turkey alone issued more than 150,000 residence permits to Russian nationals last year. In 2023, they became much more difficult to obtain or renew, but the number of Russians in the country is still far higher than in the prewar years.
The UAE saw a significant increase not only in the number of Russian tourists and emigres in 2022–2023, but also in the number of companies registered by Russians. Another key destination was Israel, to which more than 60,000 Russians fled from the beginning of 2022 to mid-2023. In total, the war in Ukraine led to several hundred thousand Russians moving to live in the Middle East.
It’s not surprising, therefore, that Russian media coverage of Middle Eastern conflicts has grown. The latest conflict between Israel and Hamas has shown that Moscow can no longer afford to sit on the fence, and the Kremlin is increasingly aligning itself with the Islamic countries of the Middle East. That’s no coincidence, given their growing importance for Russia.
Although the rhetoric of the Russian authorities is not yet openly anti-Israeli, the consequences of this alignment have already shocked the world, with mobs of aggressive demonstrators storming hotels and airports under anti-Israeli slogans in Russia’s North Caucasus.
The proliferation of connections at various levels, the large diaspora of Russians, and the increased role of the region for Russia all mean that Middle Eastern culture will inevitably penetrate Russia more than ever before, including in business and finance. A two-year Islamic banking experiment got under way in Russia on September 1. The economic component of the project is dubious, but the symbolic significance is undeniable. Russian officials are also now increasingly in contact with the Middle East, meaning the influence will also be felt across government institutions.
After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia actively borrowed Western—primarily European—legal and bureaucratic practices. Now that the European path appears to be closed off entirely, other alternatives are emerging in its place. Authoritarian modernization in Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Qatar may well be perceived in Russia as experience worthy of imitation, not to mention Iran’s experience in circumventing sanctions, which Russian experts and officials diligently studied throughout 2022.
Given the Putin regime’s drastic turn toward traditional values, Moscow may also believe it has something to learn from the Middle East on attitudes toward family, religion, and the role of women in society. The growing proportion of Muslims in the Russian population due to demographics and migration creates even more fertile soil for the borrowing of Middle Eastern practices.
Finally, for Russians who live there, the Middle East is becoming something of a social elevator. With business and the state having reoriented from the West to Turkey, the UAE, and Iran, young professionals are also heading there in search of an international career. Demand creates supply, meaning that there will be plenty of students eager to study this part of the world in coming years. The new era could produce a wave of talented Russian Arabists, Iranianists, and Turkologists. That will only happen, however, if higher education and academia—already weakened by the brain drain—are not completely crushed by the authoritarianism that dominates both the Middle East and Russia.