They were likely involved but the CIA under Allen Dulles coordinated and orchestrated the deed. James Douglass has given the full account in "JFK and the Unspeakable." Also David Talbot's "The Devil's Chessboard" recounts the same thing. It wasn't just one thing that led to Kennedy's assassination, it was pretty much nearly everything he was trying to do. Chiefly, he was pursuing actual peace with the Soviet Union, and Dulles was having none of that. It's as if Dulles is still running the whole world.
I think Kennedy was one of the worst warmongers of our time, like his father. But he was an American warmonger, and had no tolerance for Israel's single minded obsession with obtaining nuclear weapons. Mossad, unlike the CIA, actually had competence at assassinating people. CIA was full of Ivy league types who had to outsource spying and wetwork to former NAZI spies in Europe. Mossad had means motivation, and created an opportunity. and then Jack Ruby whacked Oswald, conveniently shutting him up. I think peacemaker Kennedy was like second term Obama, who was going to effect all kinds of needed change in his second term. in other words, a myth.
JFK was one of the foremost warmongers of our time, almost took the world to nuclear war in Cuba instead of withdrawing the missiles in Turkey. I don't believe he was whacked for being a peace activist, especially not in an operation directed by the CIA, which has typically outsourced its assassinations because it is not competent at it, or spying for that matter. Mossad, otoh, is competent at it. Israel had a single minded focus on obtaining nuclear weapons by any means necessary, and while Kennedy was a warmonger like his father, he was an American warmonger, and he did not want to share power with Israel or any other country.
Pretselattack: You hit the nail on the head - revisionist history and the media have made JFK into some kind of liberal hero. But the truth is so far from that that it is not even funny.
Well, you can believe whatever propaganda you need to, if you want to believe he was a warmonger, but history doesn't support you there. He certainly wasn't perfect or a saint, because no one is or ever was, but he's easily the most anti-war president we've had since WW2, and one of the most ever. That's not a high bar, granted, since nearly all of them have been warmongers, if war was in the air during their time in office. But read this (you can listen to as well) and tell me this was a man who wanted to start wars.
Not everything he says in this speech was 100% truthful--tell me of a president anywhere who only speaks the absolute truth--and one thing he quotes from a Soviet military publication, which he claimed was a total distortion, was in fact as truthful as any statement about this country can get. As we are witness to in the present.
Kennedy wanted peace, it's almost all he talked about in the months before they killed him, because they had other plans, which they've been carrying out ever since.
We all like to believe in our heros - just like we like to believe in the myths of America's founding fathers. We find it very hard, when someone attacks our heroes, to accept information that contradicts what we have internalized to believe all our lives.
Here is some info about JFK that you might find interesting (I don't want you to believe the following, but rather apply critical thinking and question existing narratives):
Conservative Roots: Kennedy’s political roots sit uneasily with his posthumous liberal aura. His father, Joseph, had made his fortune out of bootlegging in the Prohibition era, used insider trading to make a killing out of the Wall Street Crash and then manoeuvred himself into being appointed US Ambassador to the UK. Kennedy Snr, however, was unceremoniously fired from this position at the outbreak of WW2 for his thinly-veiled support for Hitler. Thereafter, JFK and his brothers were the willing pawns of their father’s displaced ambition to be President.
Kennedy was elected to Congress at the end of WW2 and promptly became associated with the McCarthyist faction in US politics that were engaged in a ruthless and paranoid purge of leftists from the media and the labour movement. The undisguised plan to win the White House came to a climax in the 1960 election. Kennedy famously got the better of Nixon in the first-ever televised Presidential debate – although tellingly most radio listeners perceived the latter to be the more convincing performer. Ironically, JFK’s appeal was partly based on him actually being further to the right on foreign policy than Nixon. Kennedy exaggerated data about Russian nuclear capability in order to accuse his rival of condoning a missile gap that disadvantaged the US.
Kennedy's counter-revolution: JFK’s first key decision upon entering the White House in 1961 was to authorise the implementation of his Republican predecessor’s plan to overthrow the Castro regime in Cuba with a CIA-funded invasion. The operation descended into an embarrassing and costly fiasco as the so-called rebels were routed at the Bay of Pigs on the Cuban coast. Kennedy, like the rest of the US ruling class ,had overlooked the fact that the revolutionary regime had popular support at that time as it had replaced a pro-American stooge just a couple of years earlier. The motley anti-Castro forces cobbled together by the President and his team were no better than the brutal Contras that Reagan would later use to try to undermine the Nicaraguan Revolution in the 1980s. The humiliation inflicted on Kennedy provoked him into a vengeful and secret war against Castro-known as Operation Mongoose-that relied on increasingly desperate and bizarre methods, including exploding cigars and poisoned milkshakes.
Missile Madness: JFK’s counter-revolutionary instincts ultimately brought the world to the brink of nuclear apocalypse. Castro eventually turned to the Russians to protect himself against the President’s plots and agreed to their decision to install nuclear missiles on Cuba in 1962. Kennedy’s subsequent handling of the Missile Crisis is usually portrayed by his apologists as his finest hour and as an exemplary piece of steely statesmanship. The crisis was only defused, however, by a secret deal between JFK and the Russian leader, Khrushchev, to withdraw US missiles from Turkey in return for the latter dismantling the ones in Cuba. Kennedy was happy to indulge in the global acclaim without publicising the inconvenient details of the negotiations. For the tense thirteen days of the crisis, the President had seriously contemplated an attack on Russian forces as a viable option. Kennedy and his brother, Robert, were willing to devise any deception to justify an escalation.
Escalation in Vietnam: Kennedy’s policy in South East Asia was equally blundering and ultimately catastrophic. The notion that he would have pursued a different policy regarding Vietnam is tenuous at best and overlooks the fact that Kennedy was the President who authorised the first major escalation of the conflict at the start of his administration. He increased the number of US troops deployed in Vietnam from 400 to 18,000 and also approved the first use of napalm and defoliation as legitimate methods of war. All these were designed to prop up the right-wing dictator of South Vietnam, Diem, in the same manner later Presidents such as Reagan would shore up pro-American despots around the globe.
First, JFK isn't "my hero". Believe me, I don't need your patronizing instruction on Kennedy's background, since I've known all that history for 50 years. If I've ever had any heroes, they certainly haven't been any political leaders. In any case, hero worship has never been one of my pastimes.
But Kennedy's questionable backstory doesn't define his evolution to the peacemaker he aspired to become after the Cuban missile crisis. He was obsessed with making a rapprochement with Khrushchev thru backchannels mainly, because his real goal was nuclear disarmament, ridding the world of the threat of nuclear annihilation because the US and USSR couldn't resolve their differences. All this is made crystal clear in his address to American University graduates in June 1963. And there is copious documentation from '62 until his murder that this is the case. He even was including Castro in these negotiations he was having with Khrushchev. Yes, Bobby Kennedy was obsessed with waxing Castro for a couple years, but JFK had a major change of mind and heart over all this because he came to understand the world-ending threat of nuclear weapons as the overriding issue of those times. Khrushchev understood it as well.
It's just as easy to make JFK into a warmongering, duplicitous villain as it is to portray him as a "martyr-savior".
The truth lies somewhere in the middle. He was far from perfect, but when he started making too many noises in the direction of nuclear disarmament and peace with the Soviets, Allen Dulles and the Pentagon decided he had to be permanently eliminated.
And he was determined to withdraw US forces from Vietnam, despite Chomsky's groundless certainty to the contrary. I've been reading Chomsky since the 1970s and agree with nearly all his analysis of state criminality perpetrated by this government over the past 80 years. But Chomsky isn't right about everything, and his unshakeable convictions about JFK as a warmonger is one of them.
It's also interesting to note that Chomsky advises Americans to vote for the "lesser evil" candidate for president every 4 years. He claims to be a libertarian anarchist/socialist, yet he invariably berates anyone who opts to vote for third party leftist candidates because he's obsessed with the unique perfidy of the Republican party. So he always shills for Democrats every election year. Some socialist!
JFK's purported evolution was just an earlier iteration of second term Obama. Second term Obama was going to unveil himself as a opponent of the fascists, was going to get us real healthcare, etc etc etc ad nauseum. what happened? The man who gave so many pretty speeches turned out to be the same as first term Obama, who let the warmongers slide.
RFK Sr was a devoted commiehunter like his brother and dad, who later had a similar tranformation. I think he was controlled opposition to split the leftist/oppositional vote with Eugene McCarthy. His son is a chip off the old block. Remember Sirhan Sirhan stated that he did it because of RFK's support of Israel. what a coincidence, RFK jr is also a fanatical Israel supporter. His son serving in Ukraine in support of the Nazis shows the Kennedy family tradition continues of being all things to all people.
yes Kennedy, like Clinton and Obama after him made many stirring speeches. you can believe lovely speeches, or you can believe his actions (what you calle propaganda). He took the world the closest to destruction it has come, to burnish his warmonger credentials, and made sure to cover up his belated concession to the USSR to remove the missiles in Turkey. He was still trying to get the CIA to assassinate Castro when he was assassinated.
I have to disagree wholeheartedly from what I can see. Kennedy was no saint, but he had a very different vision that TPTB have about the future of capitalistic America. He was on the right track, and they knew Kennedy (like Henry Wallace) had to go before they got real traction with the American public who were already enamored with the both of them. The likes of the Dulles Brothers for starters were a prime example of the real movers & shakers in D.C. The 'eveil' level probably goes deeper than those types of on-the-shin players . I don't think we really want to know just how deep. But from what I've seen as a bystander, I can only surmise that the deep state took out Kennedy. He was too much of a real threat to the system.
You need to read James Douglass and David Talbot. It was mainly the CIA, though they had help from probably Mossad, the FBI and the Mafia. But Dulles was evil personified, and would fit right in with all the demons running he world today.
I think Mossad killed him, for opposing Israel's attempts to get nuclear weapons.
They were likely involved but the CIA under Allen Dulles coordinated and orchestrated the deed. James Douglass has given the full account in "JFK and the Unspeakable." Also David Talbot's "The Devil's Chessboard" recounts the same thing. It wasn't just one thing that led to Kennedy's assassination, it was pretty much nearly everything he was trying to do. Chiefly, he was pursuing actual peace with the Soviet Union, and Dulles was having none of that. It's as if Dulles is still running the whole world.
I think Kennedy was one of the worst warmongers of our time, like his father. But he was an American warmonger, and had no tolerance for Israel's single minded obsession with obtaining nuclear weapons. Mossad, unlike the CIA, actually had competence at assassinating people. CIA was full of Ivy league types who had to outsource spying and wetwork to former NAZI spies in Europe. Mossad had means motivation, and created an opportunity. and then Jack Ruby whacked Oswald, conveniently shutting him up. I think peacemaker Kennedy was like second term Obama, who was going to effect all kinds of needed change in his second term. in other words, a myth.
JFK was one of the foremost warmongers of our time, almost took the world to nuclear war in Cuba instead of withdrawing the missiles in Turkey. I don't believe he was whacked for being a peace activist, especially not in an operation directed by the CIA, which has typically outsourced its assassinations because it is not competent at it, or spying for that matter. Mossad, otoh, is competent at it. Israel had a single minded focus on obtaining nuclear weapons by any means necessary, and while Kennedy was a warmonger like his father, he was an American warmonger, and he did not want to share power with Israel or any other country.
Pretselattack: You hit the nail on the head - revisionist history and the media have made JFK into some kind of liberal hero. But the truth is so far from that that it is not even funny.
Well, you can believe whatever propaganda you need to, if you want to believe he was a warmonger, but history doesn't support you there. He certainly wasn't perfect or a saint, because no one is or ever was, but he's easily the most anti-war president we've had since WW2, and one of the most ever. That's not a high bar, granted, since nearly all of them have been warmongers, if war was in the air during their time in office. But read this (you can listen to as well) and tell me this was a man who wanted to start wars.
https://singjupost.com/full-transcript-president-kennedys-peace-speech-at-american-university-june-10-1963/?singlepage=1
Not everything he says in this speech was 100% truthful--tell me of a president anywhere who only speaks the absolute truth--and one thing he quotes from a Soviet military publication, which he claimed was a total distortion, was in fact as truthful as any statement about this country can get. As we are witness to in the present.
Kennedy wanted peace, it's almost all he talked about in the months before they killed him, because they had other plans, which they've been carrying out ever since.
We all like to believe in our heros - just like we like to believe in the myths of America's founding fathers. We find it very hard, when someone attacks our heroes, to accept information that contradicts what we have internalized to believe all our lives.
Here is some info about JFK that you might find interesting (I don't want you to believe the following, but rather apply critical thinking and question existing narratives):
Conservative Roots: Kennedy’s political roots sit uneasily with his posthumous liberal aura. His father, Joseph, had made his fortune out of bootlegging in the Prohibition era, used insider trading to make a killing out of the Wall Street Crash and then manoeuvred himself into being appointed US Ambassador to the UK. Kennedy Snr, however, was unceremoniously fired from this position at the outbreak of WW2 for his thinly-veiled support for Hitler. Thereafter, JFK and his brothers were the willing pawns of their father’s displaced ambition to be President.
Kennedy was elected to Congress at the end of WW2 and promptly became associated with the McCarthyist faction in US politics that were engaged in a ruthless and paranoid purge of leftists from the media and the labour movement. The undisguised plan to win the White House came to a climax in the 1960 election. Kennedy famously got the better of Nixon in the first-ever televised Presidential debate – although tellingly most radio listeners perceived the latter to be the more convincing performer. Ironically, JFK’s appeal was partly based on him actually being further to the right on foreign policy than Nixon. Kennedy exaggerated data about Russian nuclear capability in order to accuse his rival of condoning a missile gap that disadvantaged the US.
Kennedy's counter-revolution: JFK’s first key decision upon entering the White House in 1961 was to authorise the implementation of his Republican predecessor’s plan to overthrow the Castro regime in Cuba with a CIA-funded invasion. The operation descended into an embarrassing and costly fiasco as the so-called rebels were routed at the Bay of Pigs on the Cuban coast. Kennedy, like the rest of the US ruling class ,had overlooked the fact that the revolutionary regime had popular support at that time as it had replaced a pro-American stooge just a couple of years earlier. The motley anti-Castro forces cobbled together by the President and his team were no better than the brutal Contras that Reagan would later use to try to undermine the Nicaraguan Revolution in the 1980s. The humiliation inflicted on Kennedy provoked him into a vengeful and secret war against Castro-known as Operation Mongoose-that relied on increasingly desperate and bizarre methods, including exploding cigars and poisoned milkshakes.
Missile Madness: JFK’s counter-revolutionary instincts ultimately brought the world to the brink of nuclear apocalypse. Castro eventually turned to the Russians to protect himself against the President’s plots and agreed to their decision to install nuclear missiles on Cuba in 1962. Kennedy’s subsequent handling of the Missile Crisis is usually portrayed by his apologists as his finest hour and as an exemplary piece of steely statesmanship. The crisis was only defused, however, by a secret deal between JFK and the Russian leader, Khrushchev, to withdraw US missiles from Turkey in return for the latter dismantling the ones in Cuba. Kennedy was happy to indulge in the global acclaim without publicising the inconvenient details of the negotiations. For the tense thirteen days of the crisis, the President had seriously contemplated an attack on Russian forces as a viable option. Kennedy and his brother, Robert, were willing to devise any deception to justify an escalation.
Escalation in Vietnam: Kennedy’s policy in South East Asia was equally blundering and ultimately catastrophic. The notion that he would have pursued a different policy regarding Vietnam is tenuous at best and overlooks the fact that Kennedy was the President who authorised the first major escalation of the conflict at the start of his administration. He increased the number of US troops deployed in Vietnam from 400 to 18,000 and also approved the first use of napalm and defoliation as legitimate methods of war. All these were designed to prop up the right-wing dictator of South Vietnam, Diem, in the same manner later Presidents such as Reagan would shore up pro-American despots around the globe.
Some sources:
(1) Noam Chomsky notes: http://www.columbia.edu/~lnp3/mydocs/american_left/JFK.htm
(2) 10 Ways the CIA tried to Kill Castro: https://www.mentalfloss.com/posts/dry-january-history-facts
(3) JFK and the myth of the great martyr-savior: https://time.com/6165142/jfk-myths/
(4) Book: "The Kennedy Obsession: The American Myth of JFK" by John Hellmann
First, JFK isn't "my hero". Believe me, I don't need your patronizing instruction on Kennedy's background, since I've known all that history for 50 years. If I've ever had any heroes, they certainly haven't been any political leaders. In any case, hero worship has never been one of my pastimes.
But Kennedy's questionable backstory doesn't define his evolution to the peacemaker he aspired to become after the Cuban missile crisis. He was obsessed with making a rapprochement with Khrushchev thru backchannels mainly, because his real goal was nuclear disarmament, ridding the world of the threat of nuclear annihilation because the US and USSR couldn't resolve their differences. All this is made crystal clear in his address to American University graduates in June 1963. And there is copious documentation from '62 until his murder that this is the case. He even was including Castro in these negotiations he was having with Khrushchev. Yes, Bobby Kennedy was obsessed with waxing Castro for a couple years, but JFK had a major change of mind and heart over all this because he came to understand the world-ending threat of nuclear weapons as the overriding issue of those times. Khrushchev understood it as well.
It's just as easy to make JFK into a warmongering, duplicitous villain as it is to portray him as a "martyr-savior".
The truth lies somewhere in the middle. He was far from perfect, but when he started making too many noises in the direction of nuclear disarmament and peace with the Soviets, Allen Dulles and the Pentagon decided he had to be permanently eliminated.
And he was determined to withdraw US forces from Vietnam, despite Chomsky's groundless certainty to the contrary. I've been reading Chomsky since the 1970s and agree with nearly all his analysis of state criminality perpetrated by this government over the past 80 years. But Chomsky isn't right about everything, and his unshakeable convictions about JFK as a warmonger is one of them.
It's also interesting to note that Chomsky advises Americans to vote for the "lesser evil" candidate for president every 4 years. He claims to be a libertarian anarchist/socialist, yet he invariably berates anyone who opts to vote for third party leftist candidates because he's obsessed with the unique perfidy of the Republican party. So he always shills for Democrats every election year. Some socialist!
JFK's purported evolution was just an earlier iteration of second term Obama. Second term Obama was going to unveil himself as a opponent of the fascists, was going to get us real healthcare, etc etc etc ad nauseum. what happened? The man who gave so many pretty speeches turned out to be the same as first term Obama, who let the warmongers slide.
RFK Sr was a devoted commiehunter like his brother and dad, who later had a similar tranformation. I think he was controlled opposition to split the leftist/oppositional vote with Eugene McCarthy. His son is a chip off the old block. Remember Sirhan Sirhan stated that he did it because of RFK's support of Israel. what a coincidence, RFK jr is also a fanatical Israel supporter. His son serving in Ukraine in support of the Nazis shows the Kennedy family tradition continues of being all things to all people.
yes Kennedy, like Clinton and Obama after him made many stirring speeches. you can believe lovely speeches, or you can believe his actions (what you calle propaganda). He took the world the closest to destruction it has come, to burnish his warmonger credentials, and made sure to cover up his belated concession to the USSR to remove the missiles in Turkey. He was still trying to get the CIA to assassinate Castro when he was assassinated.
I have to disagree wholeheartedly from what I can see. Kennedy was no saint, but he had a very different vision that TPTB have about the future of capitalistic America. He was on the right track, and they knew Kennedy (like Henry Wallace) had to go before they got real traction with the American public who were already enamored with the both of them. The likes of the Dulles Brothers for starters were a prime example of the real movers & shakers in D.C. The 'eveil' level probably goes deeper than those types of on-the-shin players . I don't think we really want to know just how deep. But from what I've seen as a bystander, I can only surmise that the deep state took out Kennedy. He was too much of a real threat to the system.
oh i got a message that this wasn't posted, reiterated it above.
You need to read James Douglass and David Talbot. It was mainly the CIA, though they had help from probably Mossad, the FBI and the Mafia. But Dulles was evil personified, and would fit right in with all the demons running he world today.