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"Communism has never worked" If the CIA/US hadn't meddled by overthrowing those countries governments we might have found out if that was true. I implore you to find non US sources about communism. Even a basic understanding of socialist principles would be helpful.

"It is unrealistic in the human sense" Social darwinism is unrealistic in the human sense. Communities, communal living, social cooperation is how our species has survived for millennia.

We're heavily propagandized too by people who don not have our best interests in mind. If you question the US and it's motives at all I would implore you to question what you know about socialism in general.

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Kevin's avatar

To me, what I have seen about communism, the state as in a country runs government for a few years, kills a few million people, then points a gun at you for the rest of your life. Thus creating fear, breeding hate, stifling creativity, creating massive poverty etc etc etc.

The west is experiencing this communist/socialist takeover right now. Clot shots, corporate takeover of government, ever increasing crime, ever more violent, the degradation of moral values, the dumbing down of our children and on it goes.

The people both left and right are tired of government. And now governments are crushing freedoms daily.

I despise industry. I know where pollution is created.

I despise large centralization of industry and government. That creates lopsided, psychopathic systems that puts industry and government over humanity. It creates us vs them.

We aren't going to stop competing. Destroying the testosterone of young men is only going to manifest other problems. People are naturally innovative, naturally curious. People fall into place rather than being shoved into line.

So a republic style small government that is based on protecting the freedom of the individual and the environment is where I see a successful world.

To create this, the world has to stop supporting psychopaths.

Communism and corporatism are psychopathic.

We need a system that better detects psychopathic behaviour .

The Menonites seem to have found that system. Overall not a bad way to live. And of course you can punch a hundred holes in my thoughts.

That is easy.

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Subcomannder's avatar

Everything you've described about what is failing is a result if the boom and bust cycles of capitalism. Corporations taking over the government IS capitalism not socialism. What you've "seen" with communism is actual red scare propaganda fed to us for the last 80 years.

"Small government" we're in the issue we're in because of deregulation. The powers that be are controlled by corporate interests and have created a welfare state for the wealthy. This is not socialism. This is neoliberalism and capitalism.

"People are naturally innovative, curious" The USSR was the first country in space and hit milestones long before the US. Literacy rates sky rocket in communist countries.

"100 million dead from communism" has been debunked and the number includes Nazi deaths...

This why I've asked you to read or watch something other than US propaganda. The goal of socialism is to transition from a class society (currently working class and ruling class) to a stateless classless society (communism).

The people "fleeing" communism are usually plantation owners (read slavery), landlords, corporatists, monarchs, and other exploiters.

Everyone's personal property (laptop, keepsakes, car, bed, etc) is left alone. Private property on the other hand (apartment complexes, refineries, factories, land) is expropriated and redistributed to people.

"Dictatorship of the proletariat" means the previously exploited masses (working class) are now in democratic control of the "means of production" (no more top down).

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Kevin's avatar

Ever been to Cuba? All top down systems are a facade. Communism as well. Jail someone for speaking out. It happens under both systems. And you simply can't deny that. The current republic in the USA failed because the citizens have become very fat and complacent. Most don't even grt off of their fat asses to vote. In Cuba as in most socialist countries a gun enforces the law.

In Canada, they ran an old lady over with a horse. And Canada is becoming extremely socialist. The violence happens in all systems.

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Subcomannder's avatar

Oh man I definitely wasted my time here. Ok well good luck with that

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Kevin's avatar

Relying on a state enforced system over me as an individual is your shtick. Good luck with that. Yes you can punch holes all day. So can I. Not reading or listening to the borg. Good luck.

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Susan Mercurio's avatar

I agree.

"It's easier to lie to a man than to convince him that he's been lied to."

This is what Caitlin must feel every day! "I wasted my time here."

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Kevin's avatar

We have all been lied to. If you believe there is such a thing as a collective, shoe me one that works. I will show you individuals that make it work.

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