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Kevin's avatar

I really have to wrap my head around communism. It is tough to do. And I think I kind of agree with you to a point.

Let's say this, a doctor is an excellent doctor is tired one evening. There are no other doctors around and a Baker comes to the doctor in the evening. The Baker understands that the doctor is the best. But the doctor says I am tired, see me tomorrow. The baker sees that the doctor is tired but cant come back tomorrow. So he tries to sweeten the pot with an apple pie. The doctor accepts the pie and ignores his own feelings and sees the baker.

Soon everyone is doing little extras to get through shortages or to achieve excellent results. Soon the doctor is rich.

Now this is the purest form of capitalism. Probably pure communism.

Entrepreneurs finding each other and trading. Free will. No pollution. No big trucks or boats. Just doing our thing as value for work is paid.

Communism as is defined by Marx is a total sham.

Oh and by creating a local environment where people trade, work and talk the love will happen. Then there will be no need for abortion or any of the other crap lefties sell. We can teach biodiversity.

Because everything in life will have unmanipulated value.

Go to most small towns in the undeveloped world. This is how it is done. They seem to get along quite well without us.

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Susan Mercurio's avatar

"Now this is the purest form of capitalism. Probably pure communism."

Which shows that you know neither capitalism nor communism. They can't, logically, occupy the same space.

Please go study both.

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Subcomannder's avatar

If you're interested in understanding what socialism is please read theory by Karl Marx, Engles, Lenin, or Mao. Or peruse the Youtube channel Second Thought for an introduction to socialism:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fpKsygbNLT4

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Kevin's avatar

I am simply not interested. There is no such thing as equal. Someone will run faster, doctor better, cook better, work harder and so on. So this supposed better form of government will fail. However a republic with a great constitution that protects the individual, the environment and the whole if society will work. Checks and balances to protect the individual from those who will harm any of the three parts are needed.

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Subcomannder's avatar

Then why did you say "I really have to wrap my head around communism"? You just explained the United States and other capitalist countries and they don't work. "Rights of the individual" only protects a select few people own capital. Wage slavery does not protect the individual. At least inform yourself beyond a surface propagandistic interpretation of socialism.

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Kevin's avatar

In their current form they aren't working. I can agree with that. Because they are corrupt. However communism in its current form has never really worked at all. Ever. It is unrealistic in a human sense.

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Subcomannder's avatar

"Communism has never worked" If the CIA/US hadn't meddled by overthrowing those countries governments we might have found out if that was true. I implore you to find non US sources about communism. Even a basic understanding of socialist principles would be helpful.

"It is unrealistic in the human sense" Social darwinism is unrealistic in the human sense. Communities, communal living, social cooperation is how our species has survived for millennia.

We're heavily propagandized too by people who don not have our best interests in mind. If you question the US and it's motives at all I would implore you to question what you know about socialism in general.

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Kevin's avatar

To me, what I have seen about communism, the state as in a country runs government for a few years, kills a few million people, then points a gun at you for the rest of your life. Thus creating fear, breeding hate, stifling creativity, creating massive poverty etc etc etc.

The west is experiencing this communist/socialist takeover right now. Clot shots, corporate takeover of government, ever increasing crime, ever more violent, the degradation of moral values, the dumbing down of our children and on it goes.

The people both left and right are tired of government. And now governments are crushing freedoms daily.

I despise industry. I know where pollution is created.

I despise large centralization of industry and government. That creates lopsided, psychopathic systems that puts industry and government over humanity. It creates us vs them.

We aren't going to stop competing. Destroying the testosterone of young men is only going to manifest other problems. People are naturally innovative, naturally curious. People fall into place rather than being shoved into line.

So a republic style small government that is based on protecting the freedom of the individual and the environment is where I see a successful world.

To create this, the world has to stop supporting psychopaths.

Communism and corporatism are psychopathic.

We need a system that better detects psychopathic behaviour .

The Menonites seem to have found that system. Overall not a bad way to live. And of course you can punch a hundred holes in my thoughts.

That is easy.

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