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Chang Chokaski's avatar

you say >> "Why do you think they let all these aliens in and so many that now the states have to handle the overflow. They did it for votes and more votes!"

Here's the problem with that logic: Illegal aliens don't get to vote. Only US citizens are able to.

Here you might ask: Well, these illegal aliens will become citizens.

My response: When is the last time that illegal aliens became US citizens? And if such a process does happen to be in place, how long might an illegal (or undocumented) immigrant have to wait? And will they be granted voting rights? Or just working rights and paying taxes?

Here's another question: How does one know which way an illegal alien will vote (when and if they do become US citizens) ? Does anyone really know? Is there any way to predict such things? From what I see, there are quite a few Cubans, Latinos, etc. that vote Republican. There are many that also vote Democrat.

To summarize, letting in "illegal aliens" to generate more votes (regardless for which party it is) is a myth - one that is propagated more so by Republicans as a way to create fear, resentment, and anger against people that are simply trying to survive - and as a way to turn out more Republican voters to the voting booths.

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Eventually these people will vote and that's what I meant to say, and he's hoping the'll vote for democrats who let them in, and in staggering numbers. So why do you think a man who funds a genocide is letting so many people in? Out of the goodness of heart when he doesn't even have one? Please, Trump is being used to say, look he wanted to build a wall to keep you out, and out of love I am saying come in, one and all no matter the problems that it is creating and if you didn't have parents up in arms how long would their stay have been? I a had tape of old Joe saying that he going to build the biggest wall of all, , really big so no one can come in. Who are you protecting? They are a source of votes, please. Here's his plan.

https://www.vox.com/2021/1/16/22234766/biden-immigration-plan-daca-tps-citizenship

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I'm going to deconstruct some of the assumptions you make, so as to shed some light behind some of the true motivations behind US Immigration Policy in regards to "Illegal Aliens":

Assumption 1: Eventually these people will vote. Does anyone really know that? Why do people assume that?

Assumption 2: If illegal aliens actually are able to vote in some future time frame theoretically, why do people assume they will vote Democratic? Are there any statistics that say or suggest that illegal aliens will for a fact vote Democratic?

Observation: You provide a link to his DACA plan. Plans are all well and good. But what is the probability that such a plan will be approved by both the House and the Senate? Democrats have been making variations of such plans for decades now. Not a single Democratic establishment has come remotely close to achieving it. With even less support for Democrats currently than ever before in recent history, I doubt such plans have a shot in hell of being passed. So then, why is Biden (and the democrats) pushing such a plan? Simple. To get more democrats to show up to the voting booths to vote for them. So this is a strategy to mobilize current US Citizens (democrats) to vote for them, similar to how the Republicans use fear, angst, etc. to get current US Citizens (republicans) to vote for them.

Also I didn't get your statement -> "Who are you protecting?" I didn't understand that. In what way am I providing protection? And to whom?

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Fran's avatar

I don't disagree, like many things that he promised do not become reality and have no basis in truth. Looks good though, how much he cares and so liberal unlike Trump. However they very well may become a significant part of his base, the democratic base that is. He's also is putting a tremendous burden on the cities who can't even take care of their own. What difference does it make what that ass does.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

The American public has been fooled by both parties. What most people don't realize are how similar the parties are. There are very few differences - and those differences are superficial.

Biden doesn't care about anyone.

Trump doesn't care about anyone either.

Neither do most politicians, regardless of which party they belong to.

The strategy, I believe - is to distract the public - to make them fight against each other - to make it an "us versus them" war. They intend to keep us busy fighting against each other (i.e. conservatives vs liberals, democrats vs republicans, one race against another, etc.) while they (the power elite ruling class and the corporations they serve) fleece the public of their wealth and resources by surrepticiously changing laws, rules and regulation that favor them. They use complex financial engineered products, financial shenaigans, and financial institutions and systems to transfer wealth from the 98% to to 2%.

They use (and sometimes create or add fuel to the fire) hot button issues like "illegal aliens", "trans rights", "LGBTQ+", "DEI", and other such "moral emergencies" to distract us and keep us busy fighting against each other.

This strategy of theirs prevents us - the 98% of the people - from uniting and fighting back against the 2%. This is the real danger I see when it comes to politics - the erosion of the 98%. (BTW, this strategy is not unique to the US. It has been implemented multiple times in history by multiple regimes and countries).

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I don't disagree at all, and divide and conquer became the policy of the democrats during the Trump years and some continue to play that game. Not that republicans don't implement similar tactics when it serves their interest. I was always a registered democrat and not because I thought so highly of them, but better then the republicans, However because of those very divisive years I am now an independent. I know both parties are beholden to the corporate world and if the people count they come in second, and not a close second. The Supreme Count was stupid in making corporations people, so now we don't count even more. I don't like AIPAC and it's degree of control over our politicians either. I don't think one of them has come out against Israel's genocidal assault. Just before Caitlin posted I just finished watching a short video on Aljazeera. One beautiful child face after another and someone relating their dreams when they grew up, but none will fulfill those dreams since they are all dead. No one in the political arena in America voiced opposition to all the death carried out by Israel, not even the death of children. I never really liked politicians very much, even as a child, now I really don't like them, useless, totally useless. I am very glad that the young have access to the net and are getting a clearer more honest perspective of our world while others are still dependent on the mainstream media which has little to any objective journalistic integrity.

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