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No, we do NOT believe in the same thing.

I have little idea what's going on in "China, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Egypt, Turkey et al," and don't pretend to know based on reports in Imperial media. This is especially true for designated enemies like China. Our MIC and the bankers that fund the Pentagon need an enemy. Both neo-cons and neo-libs love to play that game for the MIC, and are paid well for their services at think tanks. Corporate media is also on the take through military and Big Pharma ad revenues.

I see you drink the swill of "anti-vaxxers" and "climate science deniers." I had little distrust of vaccines before 2020, but the lies the CDC, WHO, FDA and NIH told, to generate fear and panic, opened my eyes. There's nothing cynical in that or in questioning climate "science," unless of course you believe that even the dissidents are FOS.

Oh, "The Chinese government routinely closes down parts of the internet to avoid socially-divisive or politically-embarrassing news or debates?" Maybe it does, and maybe it doesn't, because we surely can not trust reports in our own corporate press. But why are we throwing stones? Our own government uses the monopolies it has encouraged like Facebook, Twitter and Google (which owns YouTube) to do exactly the same thing to suppress dissent from its own narratives. Say, whatever happened to UK Channel and Del Bigtree on YouTube? Why was the NY Post crippled on Twitter just before the 2020 election? You want to talk about conditions? A few years back, a Florida inmate was scalded to death by prison guards, and the UK can't trust the US prison system not to kill Assange, just like they did Epstein, or do you believe they drove him to suicide? We have political prisoners languishing in a DC jail for misdemeanors.

You do read Caitlin's essays, don't you? The Guardian is one of the worst. So bad that some dissidents felt compelled to start the Off-Guardian to expose its lies and distortions.

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Rebecca Turner's avatar

Off-Guardian is a notoriously right-wing propaganda sheet closer to Sp!ked than to anything socialist. It seems that, as I suspected, you are so cynical that you see nothing at all. You are so unwilling to believe anything in the Western media that you have become blind to the reality of the world. It's entirely possible to oppose the lack of democracy and repression in China as well as that in the West. It's also a little odd that you think that scandal-sheet the NY Post would be targeted by the US state, when it's a newspaper that uncritically supports that state.

As for prison conditions, I spent six years in English & Scottish prisons between 2000 and 2017. All reports from nations such as China, Iran, Egypt, Bahrain etc are of conditions considerably worse.

Your views seem rather inconsistently held. You question the science of climate change yet consider yourself a free thinker. You're on the side of Donald Trump and his cronies.

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LOL. Now you're implying I'm a Trumpista? You have no argument, so you resort to labels and epithets. There's no such thing as "the science of climate change." Science is a process, not a consensus. It REQUIRES questioning, to test theories and come closer to Truth as theories are refined or discarded.

You totally miss the point. I discourage pointing fingers at China because there's nothing we can do about what happens in China short of war. We CAN do something about the fascist collaboration of corporations with government in the West, which is now reaching totalitarian levels. China is a distraction, which is why I doubt the narrative spun by Western media. They want us to waste time, energy and money on China. Are you prepared to don fatigues and march off to liberate Xinjiang for the ETIM? Do you even read Caitlin's essays or are you here just to make contrary comments?

I never mentioned "conditions, ... in English & Scottish prisons," just what I have read about US prisons, all Western "admissions against interest," hence thoroughly believable. Here's what's happening in DC jails where dozens of Jan 6 political prisoners guilty of nothing more than misdemeanor trespass have been held for over 6 months: https://crimeandjusticenews.asu.edu/news/standing-human-sewage-reported-dc-jail

What are your criteria for labeling a website or newspapers "right wing" or a "scandal-sheet?" Do they apply to all the corporate media that took the Steele dossier at face value and claimed unequivocally that "the walls are closing in" on Trump? And no, I don't support Trump's version of imperialism any more than I support globalist totalitarians. I support efforts to elect 3rd party candidates and perhaps a few anti-imperialist Republicans like Thomas Massie or Justin Amash.

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You're not the first interlocutor who has expressed this view: "I discourage pointing fingers at China because there's nothing we can do about what happens in China short of war." That is isolationism and a callous disregard for the fate of other humans "in faraway places of which we know nothing", to quote a certain pre-WWII British PM called Neville Chamberlain as an excuse for handing Czechoslovakia to the Nazis.

I'm a socialist. Central to that credo is internationalism. You're saying to journalists and others languishing cells in China, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and elsewhere: "Sorry, nothing we can do, it's your own hard luck for living in countries that are even less democratic and free than the UK/USA etc". That's disturbingly close to the America First ethos that has resurfaced lately and which was so notorious in 1939-41.

Should all the organisations campaigning on behalf of oppressed people around the world shut up shop because there's supposedly nothing we can do? Should the BDS movement, or Palestine Action which occupies premises of apartheid Israel's UK-based weapons company Elbit Systems abandon their work? Because that's what you're saying.

As for prison conditions: I'm an abolitionist, so of course I'm aware of what happens in UK & US prisons. But I am also aware that prisons in Iran, Turkey, China, Saudi Arabia and so on are almost certainly considerably worse. This doesn't bother you?

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