Absolutely not. That sounds *exactly* like the hate propaganda that came from the other side thats brought this mess to a head. We don't have to rely on moral arguments and we don't have to deny palestines right to self defense but what we need to not do is start with the "the bigger meaner one is the right one" stufff.
Yeah, sorry, pedantic word play aside we all need to push back on the idea of solutions so violent and destructive that they most certainly would take innocent people out in order to have some sore of final and complete win, especially with the concept against "the bad guys" which encroaches far beyond the actual attackers and most certainly across lay populations and children.
Advocating final solutions (or hits so big the bully can't get back up again, the bully being a group of people, pound the bully into the ground so it learns to stop) against a villainized population as opposed to functional solutions to stop harmful/violent actors, restrained to the extent possible to achieve this goal, always need to be stopped where it starts.
Its how we got here and its not how we're going to get out.
OK, how we gonna do that? I'm all ears, and I'm asking an honest question, although I do ask that any solution be specific and concrete, not some vague noises about consciousness-raising.
Yeah, I'm sorry. You're not going to get a position paper in a substack comment (I wish I could but its not going to happen). And you don't need one to recognize the problematic nature of replicating to think-framework of an oppressor. But I hope someone else has the spoons to provide some links because I recognize you're asking honestly. I do gently warn against the knee-jerk of "this commenter didn't provide me with the step by step manual I insisted on so their view point must be invalid' response some people have.
Its a very good question and there are many many many people out there that have laid out alternatives.
Because no other language works on such humans. I don't have to like it, but this is the language of power.
I'd be glad if moral arguments were more effective. But it's like quoting Scripture to an armed robber.
Absolutely not. That sounds *exactly* like the hate propaganda that came from the other side thats brought this mess to a head. We don't have to rely on moral arguments and we don't have to deny palestines right to self defense but what we need to not do is start with the "the bigger meaner one is the right one" stufff.
I said nothing about right.
Yeah, sorry, pedantic word play aside we all need to push back on the idea of solutions so violent and destructive that they most certainly would take innocent people out in order to have some sore of final and complete win, especially with the concept against "the bad guys" which encroaches far beyond the actual attackers and most certainly across lay populations and children.
Advocating final solutions (or hits so big the bully can't get back up again, the bully being a group of people, pound the bully into the ground so it learns to stop) against a villainized population as opposed to functional solutions to stop harmful/violent actors, restrained to the extent possible to achieve this goal, always need to be stopped where it starts.
Its how we got here and its not how we're going to get out.
OK, how we gonna do that? I'm all ears, and I'm asking an honest question, although I do ask that any solution be specific and concrete, not some vague noises about consciousness-raising.
Yeah, I'm sorry. You're not going to get a position paper in a substack comment (I wish I could but its not going to happen). And you don't need one to recognize the problematic nature of replicating to think-framework of an oppressor. But I hope someone else has the spoons to provide some links because I recognize you're asking honestly. I do gently warn against the knee-jerk of "this commenter didn't provide me with the step by step manual I insisted on so their view point must be invalid' response some people have.
Its a very good question and there are many many many people out there that have laid out alternatives.