"Women, Life, Freedom" always came across to me like CIA sloganeering. The western intelligence agencies have had a continued presence in Iran for decades and foment color revolutions everywhere they go. Why would Iranians chant in English if their message is not targeted at a western audience ? Why target a message about Iranian freedom towards a western audience ?
I am always concerned when people pit women's rights in different countries against each other or somehow run over activists seeking women's rights.
We can be upset about women's treatment in the US AND IRAN. We can see Iranians as human deserving good life AND having extremely problematic views and practices regarding women. We can see Iran as having extremely problematic views and practices regarding women AND acknowledge the US does as well. We can also let women in Iran lead us in what they want and need, acknowledging that there is misogyny that will convince some women to uphold the system and that is the SAME in the US, so no we should not downplay women's treatment around the world in any country because it feels safer for our narrative.
I want people using political dog whistles to stop pitting women and the rights of women in the world against each other in order to create craggy definition in their chosen villains and erase perceived villainy in their chosen child.
"One woman died, its an outlier", like sir, thats pretty outrageous for you to put down her life and what happened to her because you're trying to defend against a problematic narrative. And worse trying to pit women suffering in American prisons against women suffering in Iran.
We all want freedom, self determination, dignity; stop running interference. You don't have to sacrifice that for women in order to push back on imperialist narratives
Yeah, that might stand if you haven't literally dismissed "one woman's death" as an outlier. which in and of itself is outrageous but puts down every single woman fighting for what they need in Iran and the efforts they have gone through. Efforts that *they* guide. Your US-based outrage on their behalf and subsequent erasure to push back on US-based outrage is shaped by the imperialist country you're from. (And for full disclosure I'm from the US too). You can call those things out without doing the exact framework it blooms from.
It very much comes across as you don't really care about that population you're just using it for your agenda on that population.
We can do both.
If you want to push back on that one sided narrative you can and I applaud that. I just strongly recommend you don't do it as the mirror behavior of what you think you're fighting because you're doing neither population a justice on their behalf.
It's not nonsense, ffs, women have been killed.
@ Lisa
There was a time in the not so distant past that Amerikkkan women couldn’t vote, run for office, or own property.
I grew up Roman Catholic and during that time, women/girls were REQUIRED to wear a head covering to Mass.
So just STFU.
I'm not comparing. Women, life, freedom is their chant I believe.
"Women, Life, Freedom" always came across to me like CIA sloganeering. The western intelligence agencies have had a continued presence in Iran for decades and foment color revolutions everywhere they go. Why would Iranians chant in English if their message is not targeted at a western audience ? Why target a message about Iranian freedom towards a western audience ?
I am always concerned when people pit women's rights in different countries against each other or somehow run over activists seeking women's rights.
We can be upset about women's treatment in the US AND IRAN. We can see Iranians as human deserving good life AND having extremely problematic views and practices regarding women. We can see Iran as having extremely problematic views and practices regarding women AND acknowledge the US does as well. We can also let women in Iran lead us in what they want and need, acknowledging that there is misogyny that will convince some women to uphold the system and that is the SAME in the US, so no we should not downplay women's treatment around the world in any country because it feels safer for our narrative.
I want people using political dog whistles to stop pitting women and the rights of women in the world against each other in order to create craggy definition in their chosen villains and erase perceived villainy in their chosen child.
"One woman died, its an outlier", like sir, thats pretty outrageous for you to put down her life and what happened to her because you're trying to defend against a problematic narrative. And worse trying to pit women suffering in American prisons against women suffering in Iran.
We all want freedom, self determination, dignity; stop running interference. You don't have to sacrifice that for women in order to push back on imperialist narratives
Yeah, that might stand if you haven't literally dismissed "one woman's death" as an outlier. which in and of itself is outrageous but puts down every single woman fighting for what they need in Iran and the efforts they have gone through. Efforts that *they* guide. Your US-based outrage on their behalf and subsequent erasure to push back on US-based outrage is shaped by the imperialist country you're from. (And for full disclosure I'm from the US too). You can call those things out without doing the exact framework it blooms from.
It very much comes across as you don't really care about that population you're just using it for your agenda on that population.
We can do both.
If you want to push back on that one sided narrative you can and I applaud that. I just strongly recommend you don't do it as the mirror behavior of what you think you're fighting because you're doing neither population a justice on their behalf.