Chang, Jenny's heart is in the right place. I am sure she means what you are saying when she says that " 97% of Americans have no education". The kind of "education" she is referring to is the conditioning and brainwashing that goes on in educational institutions.
We gain critical thinking, moral behaviour and loving kindness in spite of the indoctrination.
Thanks to Caitlin & Tim we meet and share good values in these pages. Thank you too for being lucid and critical.
Indu, I think you misunderstood Jenny's comment. Jenny is saying that the educational quality is very low in the U.S. - she is NOT talking about the conditioning/brainwashing/indoctrination - in fact she is talking about the OPPOSITE - i.e. normal education like geography, history, etc.
Jenny STILL does not understand the difference between EDUCATION and CRITICAL THINKING.
BTW, if you follow many of Jenny's comments, the problem is NOT with Jenny's heart, but with her head (for whatever reason she seems to have comprehension issues - as observed by quite a few commentators).
>>"We gain critical thinking, moral behaviour and loving kindness in spite of the indoctrination."
I'd have to disagree with you on the critical thinking part. I would say that less than 5% of the human population seems to have adequate critical thinking skills (IMHO) (I used to be in the 95% section before I made a lot of effort - including reading books, watching videos, etc. to work on own thinking skills - which is a never-ending process till the end). Most people cannot be bothered to put in the time/work/effort as it requires an honest and objective evaluation of one's own belief systems and introspection.
Interesting Chang that you have to keep disqualifying me in decidedly inhumane terms.
As far as my first comment is concerned: I was EDUCATED well in each school I attended and was aware of any brainwashing particularly in England with regard to the Empire.
I do not think in the way you do is that bad?
I have lived a full life in many countries and listened and learned that education (with thought) is indispensable.
What use is 'critical thinking' if you don't know where Iran is on a map?
You are so pedantic sometimes that you assume we all need to be the same as you?
A NORMAL EDUCATION does not contain (and is not considered to impart) critical thinking skills. One has to specifically focus on a different set of skills to be able to think critically.
Until you understand that 'education' is NOT 'critical thinking' you will continue going down the wrong paths in your comprehension of arguments (as you have been doing here on Substack).
Nope - you gain critical thinking by explicitly working on 'critical thinking' skills.
"Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation, experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief and action. In its exemplary form, it is based on universal intellectual values that transcend subject matter divisions: clarity, accuracy, precision, consistency, relevance, sound evidence, good reasons, depth, breadth, and fairness."
Chang, Jenny's heart is in the right place. I am sure she means what you are saying when she says that " 97% of Americans have no education". The kind of "education" she is referring to is the conditioning and brainwashing that goes on in educational institutions.
We gain critical thinking, moral behaviour and loving kindness in spite of the indoctrination.
Thanks to Caitlin & Tim we meet and share good values in these pages. Thank you too for being lucid and critical.
Indu, I think you misunderstood Jenny's comment. Jenny is saying that the educational quality is very low in the U.S. - she is NOT talking about the conditioning/brainwashing/indoctrination - in fact she is talking about the OPPOSITE - i.e. normal education like geography, history, etc.
Jenny STILL does not understand the difference between EDUCATION and CRITICAL THINKING.
BTW, if you follow many of Jenny's comments, the problem is NOT with Jenny's heart, but with her head (for whatever reason she seems to have comprehension issues - as observed by quite a few commentators).
>>"We gain critical thinking, moral behaviour and loving kindness in spite of the indoctrination."
I'd have to disagree with you on the critical thinking part. I would say that less than 5% of the human population seems to have adequate critical thinking skills (IMHO) (I used to be in the 95% section before I made a lot of effort - including reading books, watching videos, etc. to work on own thinking skills - which is a never-ending process till the end). Most people cannot be bothered to put in the time/work/effort as it requires an honest and objective evaluation of one's own belief systems and introspection.
Interesting Chang that you have to keep disqualifying me in decidedly inhumane terms.
As far as my first comment is concerned: I was EDUCATED well in each school I attended and was aware of any brainwashing particularly in England with regard to the Empire.
I do not think in the way you do is that bad?
I have lived a full life in many countries and listened and learned that education (with thought) is indispensable.
What use is 'critical thinking' if you don't know where Iran is on a map?
You are so pedantic sometimes that you assume we all need to be the same as you?
I forgive you for being so unenlightened.
Jenny, please see my other comment here -> https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/anti-zionism-is-anti-semitism/comment/113926659
A NORMAL EDUCATION does not contain (and is not considered to impart) critical thinking skills. One has to specifically focus on a different set of skills to be able to think critically.
Until you understand that 'education' is NOT 'critical thinking' you will continue going down the wrong paths in your comprehension of arguments (as you have been doing here on Substack).
Indu, many people are unclear and don't understand what 'critical thinking' really is.
Here is my response to Jenny on what it is and how to build those skills further -> https://www.caitlinjohnst.one/p/anti-zionism-is-anti-semitism/comment/113926659
Thanks Indu.
"We gain critical thinking, moral behaviour and loving kindness in spite of the indoctrination."
I completely agree.
Nope - you gain critical thinking by explicitly working on 'critical thinking' skills.
"Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation, experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief and action. In its exemplary form, it is based on universal intellectual values that transcend subject matter divisions: clarity, accuracy, precision, consistency, relevance, sound evidence, good reasons, depth, breadth, and fairness."
Here are some resources for you Jenny ->
(1) https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/intersections/202409/critical-thinking-what-it-is-and-why-it-matters
(2) A course that you (and others) can take on critical thinking (free) -> https://www.coursera.org/articles/critical-thinking-skills
(3) FSU Lectures-Critical Thinking Course ->https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL447DFE6900523895
(4) Critical Thinking videos (by Center for Innovation in Legal Education) -> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpbtRdN7xWUcPT0qWBfC52FubQxcgdgjk
There are many more resources, but this should be a good start.