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I don’t refute your factual statements. I believe that most people reading this are unaware of most of the narratives that you and I have posted.

Perhaps I should clarify by stating that the British imperialist motives for colonizing Palestine — coincidentally at the time of discovery of oil — are no longer pertinent. The American Empire, however, is still motivated by the fossil fuels industries’ desire to control access to all of the oil and gas fields of the Middle East. Eretz Israel is a convenient cover for the US military operations, there.

The USA also has military bases in other nearby countries, but Eretz Israel may be the only other one that possesses nuclear weapons.

My argument is that when fossil fuels become insignificant, Palestine and all other countries of the Middle East will become insignificant for exploitation.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

I'm often challenging the 'U.S. supports Israel primarily for the energy resources of the MENA region" narrative (that is so dear to many).

(A thorough/exhaustive discussion/explanation would be too long and inadequate for presentation on platforms like Substack comments sections).

Knowing the history of MENA fairly well, there are MULTIPLE factors behind the involvement of colonial forces (initially European, later American) in the Middle-East region, oil and gas being just one of several.

Too many people are blinded (or overly focused) on "oil and gas in the MENA region" as an explanation for everything. They miss too many other intersecting and interweaving narratives that affect the dynamics and geopolitics of the region.

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CK's avatar

Chang Chokaski,

I don’t deny the complexity, but the US fossil fuels industries have powerful lobbyists, as do the US defense contractors, to keep the wars going to seize control of all oil and gas of the Middle East.

I have studied this for decades.

The general public wants a simple explanation. The propaganda says, “Muslims are bad. Jews are good and Zionists = Jews = Zionists.”

The extremely absurd propaganda says, “Nazis murdered millions of Jews, therefore Jews must annihilate Palestinians”, but millions of the ignorati believe that.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

The U.S. obviously has interest in the energy resources of the Middle East. They would have such interests regardless of the existence of the state of Israel.

If all the U.S. wanted was oil/gas, then there are much easier ways to get such resources than supporting Israel in the region.

You're confusing two things together (like many are). The U.S. Empire supports Israel for MANY reasons. Also true is that the U.S. (actually Europe even more) is interested in the energy resources of the area. But just because these two things are true DOESN'T MEAN that one is the cause of the other.

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CK's avatar

What do you believe is (are) the most important interest(s) of the USA in Palestine? Many things can be true.

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Chang Chokaski's avatar

It is of VITAL IMPORTANCE to make a DISTINCTION between the USA and the U.S. Empire. The interests of the two are not always aligned.

The interests of the U.S. Empire supercedes the interests of 'America the country' and 'the American people'.

Once you begin to understand that, multiple other perspectives open up in analyzing the interests of the U.S. Empire in the MENA region.

Hence, I don't agree with John Maersheimer's conclusion that the U.S. is doing what it is solely (or mainly) because of the Israel Lobbies ("The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3976405-the-israel-lobby-and-u-s-foreign-policy).

There are too many interests of the U.S. Empire in the MENA region to go into them here in any way that would do the subject matter justice. I have been planning (for quite some time now) to write an article about 'Why does the U.S. unconditionally support Israel' (it's currently morphed into the size of a book chapter - hence no one would have the time to read something so long on substack), so I'm still working on whittling it down to a manageable size...

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Let us know when you publish your complete analysis.

Prof. Mearsheimer is a West Point grad (USMA 1970) and does have some keen insights into the game of US Empire. That doesn’t make him the final authority.

Since the people of the USA are paying for the antics of the Empire, they have a right to know what they are in for. US private corporations seek to rule the world, backed by the enormous US military juggernaut and taxpayers’ support.

The war in Vietnam was “justified” by bogus claims of “special” interest and the need to stop the spread of Communism. Private US companies wanted to continue the French exploitation the resources of Vietnam without have to pay fair prices for them. The truth eventually surfaced, but only after tens of thousands of US soldiers were killed and hundreds of thousands were wounded, and untold millions of Vietnamese were killed or wounded along with more casualties in Cambodia and Laos.

The US wars in Somalia, Libya, Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., are similarly based upon bogus nonsense, but primarily for control of access to oil and control of oil prices.

The defense contractors don’t care about reasons or ideologies or religions as long as they can make monetary profits.

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