In addition to its global imperial ambitions, the British Empire also wanted strategic control of all commerce through the eastern and of the Mediterranean Sea all the way to India and China, long before the discovery of petroleum in the Levant region of the Ottoman Empire.
While WWI allegedly ended in November of 1917, the British continued to fight against the Turks until sometime in the year 2022. John D. Rockefeller of Standard Oil proposed that the Brits didn’t need to conquer Asia Minor for petroleum. Standard Oil would establish oil rigs and pipelines built by Turkish labor, and would pay approximately half of the oil proceeds to the “Young Turks” government.
The American Empire was okay with that and conceded with the British and the Turks to support the ethnic cleansing of Greeks, Jews and remaining Armenians from Asia Minor, via the “Population Exchange” of 1922-1923 as part of the deal.
The current location of Eretz Israel is a strategic base of the USA, serving as a listing post and staging area for military control of access to all oil fields of the Middle East.
Today, control of oil is still significant to the US global corporate empire. That significance will become moot as the world transitions to clean energy.
CK, why are you relaying factual information to me that is NOT relevant to the crux of the argument? - i.e. "Palestine has oilfields. That’s why the British Empire colonized it" which I directly REFUTED.
None of the 'factual information' has anything to do with the point of contention.
I don’t refute your factual statements. I believe that most people reading this are unaware of most of the narratives that you and I have posted.
Perhaps I should clarify by stating that the British imperialist motives for colonizing Palestine — coincidentally at the time of discovery of oil — are no longer pertinent. The American Empire, however, is still motivated by the fossil fuels industries’ desire to control access to all of the oil and gas fields of the Middle East. Eretz Israel is a convenient cover for the US military operations, there.
The USA also has military bases in other nearby countries, but Eretz Israel may be the only other one that possesses nuclear weapons.
My argument is that when fossil fuels become insignificant, Palestine and all other countries of the Middle East will become insignificant for exploitation.
I'm often challenging the 'U.S. supports Israel primarily for the energy resources of the MENA region" narrative (that is so dear to many).
(A thorough/exhaustive discussion/explanation would be too long and inadequate for presentation on platforms like Substack comments sections).
Knowing the history of MENA fairly well, there are MULTIPLE factors behind the involvement of colonial forces (initially European, later American) in the Middle-East region, oil and gas being just one of several.
Too many people are blinded (or overly focused) on "oil and gas in the MENA region" as an explanation for everything. They miss too many other intersecting and interweaving narratives that affect the dynamics and geopolitics of the region.
I don’t deny the complexity, but the US fossil fuels industries have powerful lobbyists, as do the US defense contractors, to keep the wars going to seize control of all oil and gas of the Middle East.
I have studied this for decades.
The general public wants a simple explanation. The propaganda says, “Muslims are bad. Jews are good and Zionists = Jews = Zionists.”
The extremely absurd propaganda says, “Nazis murdered millions of Jews, therefore Jews must annihilate Palestinians”, but millions of the ignorati believe that.
The U.S. obviously has interest in the energy resources of the Middle East. They would have such interests regardless of the existence of the state of Israel.
If all the U.S. wanted was oil/gas, then there are much easier ways to get such resources than supporting Israel in the region.
You're confusing two things together (like many are). The U.S. Empire supports Israel for MANY reasons. Also true is that the U.S. (actually Europe even more) is interested in the energy resources of the area. But just because these two things are true DOESN'T MEAN that one is the cause of the other.
Chang Chokaski,
In addition to its global imperial ambitions, the British Empire also wanted strategic control of all commerce through the eastern and of the Mediterranean Sea all the way to India and China, long before the discovery of petroleum in the Levant region of the Ottoman Empire.
While WWI allegedly ended in November of 1917, the British continued to fight against the Turks until sometime in the year 2022. John D. Rockefeller of Standard Oil proposed that the Brits didn’t need to conquer Asia Minor for petroleum. Standard Oil would establish oil rigs and pipelines built by Turkish labor, and would pay approximately half of the oil proceeds to the “Young Turks” government.
The American Empire was okay with that and conceded with the British and the Turks to support the ethnic cleansing of Greeks, Jews and remaining Armenians from Asia Minor, via the “Population Exchange” of 1922-1923 as part of the deal.
The current location of Eretz Israel is a strategic base of the USA, serving as a listing post and staging area for military control of access to all oil fields of the Middle East.
Today, control of oil is still significant to the US global corporate empire. That significance will become moot as the world transitions to clean energy.
CK, why are you relaying factual information to me that is NOT relevant to the crux of the argument? - i.e. "Palestine has oilfields. That’s why the British Empire colonized it" which I directly REFUTED.
None of the 'factual information' has anything to do with the point of contention.
I don’t refute your factual statements. I believe that most people reading this are unaware of most of the narratives that you and I have posted.
Perhaps I should clarify by stating that the British imperialist motives for colonizing Palestine — coincidentally at the time of discovery of oil — are no longer pertinent. The American Empire, however, is still motivated by the fossil fuels industries’ desire to control access to all of the oil and gas fields of the Middle East. Eretz Israel is a convenient cover for the US military operations, there.
The USA also has military bases in other nearby countries, but Eretz Israel may be the only other one that possesses nuclear weapons.
My argument is that when fossil fuels become insignificant, Palestine and all other countries of the Middle East will become insignificant for exploitation.
I'm often challenging the 'U.S. supports Israel primarily for the energy resources of the MENA region" narrative (that is so dear to many).
(A thorough/exhaustive discussion/explanation would be too long and inadequate for presentation on platforms like Substack comments sections).
Knowing the history of MENA fairly well, there are MULTIPLE factors behind the involvement of colonial forces (initially European, later American) in the Middle-East region, oil and gas being just one of several.
Too many people are blinded (or overly focused) on "oil and gas in the MENA region" as an explanation for everything. They miss too many other intersecting and interweaving narratives that affect the dynamics and geopolitics of the region.
Chang Chokaski,
I don’t deny the complexity, but the US fossil fuels industries have powerful lobbyists, as do the US defense contractors, to keep the wars going to seize control of all oil and gas of the Middle East.
I have studied this for decades.
The general public wants a simple explanation. The propaganda says, “Muslims are bad. Jews are good and Zionists = Jews = Zionists.”
The extremely absurd propaganda says, “Nazis murdered millions of Jews, therefore Jews must annihilate Palestinians”, but millions of the ignorati believe that.
The U.S. obviously has interest in the energy resources of the Middle East. They would have such interests regardless of the existence of the state of Israel.
If all the U.S. wanted was oil/gas, then there are much easier ways to get such resources than supporting Israel in the region.
You're confusing two things together (like many are). The U.S. Empire supports Israel for MANY reasons. Also true is that the U.S. (actually Europe even more) is interested in the energy resources of the area. But just because these two things are true DOESN'T MEAN that one is the cause of the other.
What do you believe is (are) the most important interest(s) of the USA in Palestine? Many things can be true.