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Kevin Brink's avatar

we also need the size and strength of government massively reduced. Make the government NOT WORTH buying.

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jamenta's avatar

We need an uncorrupt "representative" government. That's what the US was founded on. What the US Constitution is all about. Representative government.

If you get rid of representative government, or shrink it to the point where it becomes entirely impotent, you will then end up with a society run by monopolistic corporations, ponzi scheme Wallstreet bankers, and privatized police and a corrupt judicial. The US is headed in that direction already, because the US government is corrupt and not representative. Getting rid of the government, or shrinking it to impotency, won't fix the problem.

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unwarranted's avatar

I don’t think there’s any shame in recognizing the Constitution falls short of adequately protecting human rights. It’s become a quasi-religious article of faith that the Constitution cannot be improved upon. If it began with the Bill of Rights, and made property secondary to individual rights, we’d probably be living in a socialist state!

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jamenta's avatar

It was a big step up from King George. But yes, it was far from perfect.

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unwarranted's avatar

I think we arrived in the ‘90’s, when the DP became RP lite. Isolated voices like Sanders or RFKjr can be featured as evidence that democracy still lives, but they can easily be marginalized, smeared and erased. We are in oligarchy-hell, and that bears recognizing and repeating...over and over.

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jamenta's avatar

Yes. It very much appears as if the 200 year experiment in a constitutional, representative government "Of and For the People" is coming to an end, or as some say, (such as Jimmy Dore) - it has already ended, and Americans just don't know it yet.

And it looks like what will succeed it is some form of corporate Libertarianism masquerading as individual freedom. Or worse, a religious demagogue like DeSantis comes to power. It's not looking very good - the future. Heck, it may even be too late to save the planet from a horrific collapse of most life and the ecosystem - because of human corporate greed. Not only may the experiment with American democracy be over, but the (relatively short) evolutionary experiment with human consciousness.

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unwarranted's avatar

With respect, I find that suggestion laughable. We have massive economic machines which run our lives, and having weak government is exactly why. In a democracy, the government has a responsibility to protect the vulnerable from the predatory. Our government is owned by private interests that don’t give a damn for how their policies wreak havoc on the majority. Small government has long been Republican-speak. Now it’s the ideology of the oligarchs.

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Kevin Brink's avatar

OMG, If you believe our government is small and weak, that is ridiculous. It is more powerful, more authoritarian than ever and only gaining. Corporations have no power over an individual except THROUGH the government. They help write the legislation to protect themselves and the status quo, this squashes new competition. Without that kind of governmental protection we would see more competition and more turnover long term. And republicans are talk only, basically just democrats in reality who favor status quo and more power. Whatever reductions in govt power or budget excess they have ever actually produced are so minuscule to be unmeasurable.

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JackSirius's avatar

I agree: government is neither small nor weak. But I think we may also agree that in the modern neoliberal world, government is merely a handmaiden of private power. Our governance system includes government, but it extends to—and is dominated by—the private sector, including the cleverly named Non-Governmental Organizations (NGOs), think tanks and other privatized national-security-state cutouts, lobbyist organizations, political parties, all global capitalist corporations, and, of course, those oligarchic social clubs for our ruling elites, like the WEF and Bilderbergers.

Our rulers are hardly going to rely on government bureaucrats and bought-and-paid-for politicians to protect their vital interests and preserve their dominance over the masses.

My beef is with some libertarians who want to blame every evil on government alone instead of realizing that there is actually almost no separation at all between public and private power.

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unwarranted's avatar

The line that you see between the “authoritarian” state and the private sector exists in your mind. The two-party system is a charade. The elected Senators and Representatives and the President are the paid minions of those with the deep pockets. You see a lack of competition as the crux of the problem, and I say this country needs to give democracy a shot. More competition won’t inspire the Washington lackeys to faithfully represent their constituents. When money is removed from the electoral process, the lackeys can’t be bought. Democracy cannot be achieved by having more alphas vying for control that never should be up for grabs.

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Society's Stinky Parts's avatar

They'll be devout True Believers, which is even worse.

Nobody needs a state except slavers and rentiers. Those relations don't actually need to exist. We need to be destroying gods, not "reforming" them to keep the middle class slavers in the style to which they are accustomed.

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